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Old Oct 28, 2017 | 02:29 AM
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How many pins in the super duty switch? Did you use just two? What year is the switch from? Per my 1984 factory manual all platforms use the same switch, 13480.

I pressure blead the wheel cylinders, RABS module and front calipers. They are hard as a rock with the vacuum drained but mushy with vacuum. That is normal, right?

The drums (NOS) and shoes are new and were adjusted to a light drag about 100 miles ago.
 
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Old Oct 28, 2017 | 02:32 AM
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Do ford cars use this same switch? Are they still using this design?
 
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Old Oct 30, 2017 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cummings Guy
How many pins in the super duty switch? Did you use just two? What year is the switch from? Per my 1984 factory manual all platforms use the same switch, 13480.

I pressure blead the wheel cylinders, RABS module and front calipers. They are hard as a rock with the vacuum drained but mushy with vacuum. That is normal, right?

The drums (NOS) and shoes are new and were adjusted to a light drag about 100 miles ago.
The switch is from a 99 and new SD truck, the switch has 2 sets of contacts in it, one set is two wire just like are brake switch and the other set is 3 wire. I tied both sets together and the extra wire goes to ground so if you lost all your brake lights the system still functions as if nothing is wrong.

Tie pin 3 and 5 together, tie pin 2 and 4 together and ground pin 1 (or leave it alone if you don't want to overly modify things)

Pin 3+5 hook up to your green with red wire and pin 2+4 hook up to the green brake wire and pin 1 to a good dash ground.

 
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Old Oct 31, 2017 | 03:31 AM
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That sounds like a lot of work. What was your motivation for doing this?
 
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Old Oct 31, 2017 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cummings Guy
That sounds like a lot of work. What was your motivation for doing this?
It's really not much work at all, it'll take you longer to get the parts then to actually do it.

I did it to run led brake lights without the load resistors.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2017 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ifrythings
I did it to run led brake lights without the load resistors.
Needs a write-up thread. Would make a worthwhile sticky.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2017 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue
Needs a write-up thread. Would make a worthwhile sticky.
I'll be doing my brothers soon so I'll take pictures and do a write up then but it is really easy to do.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2017 | 03:06 PM
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I finally got a few hours to get back to this brake light switch problem.

The first thing I did was bend the plate where the spring plunger touches on the switch. This causes the switch to close sooner. This eliminated the scary cruse control problem. I can do a proper tap to disengage now.

As seen in the test light, the switch is not quite right yet because the contacts "bounce" (the lights flicker) under light braking.

What I need to do is have more pedal travel before the piston in the master cylinder starts to move. A quarter inch should be enough.

Is the rod between the brake pedal and booster adjustable for length?

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Is the rod between the brake pedal and booster adjustable for length?

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Yes it is.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2017 | 09:50 PM
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Yes it is.
It looks like I would have to remove the master cylinder then the booster to get to the rod for adjustment. I don't know if shortening the rod would even help with the brake light switch problem.

Any opinions?
 
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Old Dec 22, 2017 | 12:23 AM
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Whoo Hoo!! Finally got it working right!

I disassembled the switch and replaced the spring with a much lighter one.

Now I can do a proper tap to release the cruse control. And no flickering. As long there is light pressure on the pedal the brake lights will stay on.

It is almost too sensitive now. I will try a heaver spring and see if it feels better.

This is a fix that anyone can do on the bench in about 15 minutes after the correct spring is sourced.

The test light that is needed to see if your brake light switch is working properly while driving can be made in about the same amount of time once the parts are in hand.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2017 | 10:21 AM
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Where did you get the spring? Do you have any measurements or dimensions so we can have the spring on hand before disassembly?
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Old Dec 26, 2017 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cummings Guy
How many pins in the super duty switch? Did you use just two? What year is the switch from? Per my 1984 factory manual all platforms use the same switch, 13480.

I pressure blead the wheel cylinders, RABS module and front calipers. They are hard as a rock with the vacuum drained but mushy with vacuum.That is normal, right?

The drums (NOS) and shoes are new and were adjusted to a light drag about 100 miles ago.
Mushy is not normal. It’s a Ford not a Chevy. It should be firm but not hard like when there is no vacuum in the system. I think you made a mod to the system that didn’t really address the underlying issue.

New Old Stock drums?? Kinda hard to believe a dealer had brake drums sitting around for all these years.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2017 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by terry274
Where did you get the spring? Do you have any measurements or dimensions so we can have the spring on hand before disassembly?
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Actually, it was on my work bench. I didn't even get off the stool to find it. I guess not cleaning up and not throwing anything out has its advantages.

Give me a few days to go to the hard ware store to find one similar and I'll post the size and part number.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2017 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks

Mushy is not normal. It’s a Ford not a Chevy. It should be firm but not hard like when there is no vacuum in the system. I think you made a mod to the system that didn’t really address the underlying issue.

New Old Stock drums?? Kinda hard to believe a dealer had brake drums sitting around for all these years.

A mod? Are you talking about the lighter spring in the brake light switch? I am open to suggestions to identify the underlying issue and at least one other person is too.

Got them on eBay. The dealer was able to get drums in a box with a Ford logo and part number but they were the same crap that everyone else were pushing at twice the cost.
 
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