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Sweet! If we were keeping the long bed / long wheelbase, or if we wanted a full-depth bed, I'd definitely consider going with the stock pickup frame and grafting on CV suspension. For our project we wanted the short bed / lowered aesthetic so it just makes sense (for us) to keep the entire CV chassis. We plan to leave as much of it untouched as possible - brakes, suspension, exhaust, fuel system, everything in the engine bay, the driveline, and wiring harness (for the most part) should all carry over. That's what made the whole project so attractive. We can all live with the reduced space in the bed necessary to house the CV rear suspension and fuel tank. I'd like to make a continuous false floor so there's no ugly hump in the middle. We'll see how that works out!
I'm sure it will go well. I should have added I'm going to flip the rear axle to the top side of the leaf springs. That should lower mine somewhere between 4-5 inches all around. It is a long bed and it's so clean I just can't bring myself to cut it.
In order to register a vehicle in AZ they check the VIN in two places. on a classic truck like your '64 (welcome to the '64 f-series club!) they will check the door and the frame (like they did on mine) and if they match, then you get a title for that VIN, and the emissions laws, taxes etc. apply to the year of the VIN. If they don't match, or aren't there (as will be the case when you completely swap the frame) then the MVD in AZ assigns a new VIN, and the vehicle is titled as new, and is subject to current emissions laws, new car taxes, etc.
Just some FYI
~James
I asked the guy doing the inspection about that VIN issue, and he said that I could replace the frame as long as I saved the VIN portion of the old frame (on your truck, it's on the top right front framerail just behind the shock tower) and welded it to the new frame in approximately the same place it was on the old.
The reason this came up was that back in '03 (before the cool CV frames were available) I swapped an Aerostar front crossmenber into my '64 F-100. I had welded close to where the VIN is located, and the MVD guy noticed it, and was glad I hadn't obliterated the numbers.
In order to register a vehicle in AZ they check the VIN in two places. on a classic truck like your '64 (welcome to the '64 f-series club!) they will check the door and the frame (like they did on mine) and if they match, then you get a title for that VIN, and the emissions laws, taxes etc. apply to the year of the VIN. If they don't match, or aren't there (as will be the case when you completely swap the frame) then the MVD in AZ assigns a new VIN, and the vehicle is titled as new, and is subject to current emissions laws, new car taxes, etc.
Just some FYI
~James
It's different throughout the state. Where I am, no vin# inspection or emissions ever, regardless of vehicle. At one time, you were able to title a vehicle as inoperable (say you wanted a title but technically vehicle wasn't roadworthy yet). They would want you to physically bring the vehicle in to show them it was disassembled. Now, regardless of condition, they issue title and registration. They can add a disclaimer to the registration that the vehicle is not being driven in order to avoid having insurance. That can be lifted at any time and doesn't require any inspection.
Bought my truck in Nevada, paid a whopping $22 for title and registration here in AZ. Had the insurance disclaimer lifted about 6 mos later. Not once did anyone inspect anything.
I agree it has changed a bit since '02 when I transferred the title on my '64 from Utah. It also depends on your local MVD office.
So, how's it work in CA?
I agree it has changed a bit since '02 when I transferred the title on my '64 from Utah. It also depends on your local MVD office.
So, how's it work in CA?
I'm not sure where they would look for the VIN on inspection in CA. Our pickup is currently registered with a clean title. So it shouldn't ever need to go into DMV. It's also smog exempt. No inspections ever unless it were to get a salvage title somehow; then it would need VIN verification to put it back on the road.
With the stock 'Vic drivetrain and suspension, you're improving the emissions, and making the truck go fast and handle at the same time!
I appreciate the nostalgia of the old hard to drive trucks from the past, (I learned to drive in my '64 back when it was stock) but, better handling and more power are always desirable in my book!
Keep up the good work!
With the stock 'Vic drivetrain and suspension, you're improving the emissions, and making the truck go fast and handle at the same time!
I appreciate the nostalgia of the old hard to drive trucks from the past, (I learned to drive in my '64 back when it was stock) but, better handling and more power are always desirable in my book!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Yeah that's why I don't have a guilty conscience about it. Even though the truck is smog exempt, we're improving emissions drastically vs. an old pre-smog carbureted V8.
The Crown Vic is really a superb vehicle for its price and intended use (high speed highway cruising), the only problem in my opinion being the styling.
So we're making both vehicles better in the process.
just found this thread, and very interested in it. I have a 64 2wd longbed that I want to swap with a CV (either full frame or sub frame and get a short bed frame). Not sure what I want for an engine though. How much did the PI version cost you in SoCal?
There is a 2003 cv pi for $2750 and a 2008 cv taxi for $1500 where I am at, for $1000 bucks I could get a decent big block, but that would take some of the ease away. But the cost for a PI seems like a lot.
just found this thread, and very interested in it. I have a 64 2wd longbed that I want to swap with a CV (either full frame or sub frame and get a short bed frame). Not sure what I want for an engine though. How much did the PI version cost you in SoCal?
There is a 2003 cv pi for $2750 and a 2008 cv taxi for $1500 where I am at, for $1000 bucks I could get a decent big block, but that would take some of the ease away. But the cost for a PI seems like a lot.
Howdy...how common are the CVPIs in Alaska?
We paid $2000 for ours, which is a 2008 P71 with about 140k miles. It's been upgraded with a Marauder rear axle, so limited slip and 4.10 gears.
It may have gone for a bit more on the open market but we knew the sellers so they took less from us than they would've otherwise asked.
$1500 for the 2008 taxi sounds reasonable especially if mileage & hours are low.
Hey DuderCFlo...Glad to see you are moving forward with the swap. I too am close to a purchase of the CVPI however as mentioned, I am swapping the front end, drive train into my truck. Will be nice to see how you guys get it together. I think swapping the body onto the CV would be much quicker then what I am headed into however I want to save the long bed, truck is just to nice to cut up as well. Hey I will keep an eye on your progress.
As a note, here in the midwest CVPI pending year, miles, I am looking at a 05 PI with 98,000 for 2600. Ones over 100,000 miles 2000 to 2500. Some want crazy money for them as well, so have to do your research and patience. Told the boss (wife) if I wait to long it will be summer!
Good luck on your build!
Hammy
Guys check out your local towing outfits for cars, I bought the below 2005 Grand Marquis with 46,000 miles for $500.
The towing co. had it stored long enough that the owner gave up the title instead of paying the fees. I'm going to use the front suspension, drive train and rear end.
I stripped most of the sellable stuff off of it and have sold $420.00 of parts so far. In the end I should make a few dollars from it.
Howdy...how common are the CVPIs in Alaska? Not too common... there's about 4 2003+ on FB marketplace and CL, but I haven't been paying all that much attention.
We paid $2000 for ours, which is a 2008 P71 with about 140k miles. It's been upgraded with a Marauder rear axle, so limited slip and 4.10 gears.
It may have gone for a bit more on the open market but we knew the sellers so they took less from us than they would've otherwise asked.
$1500 for the 2008 taxi sounds reasonable especially if mileage & hours are low.
This is the first I've heard of a Marauder, isn't 4.10 a little high for a car, or this application. The assumption is that it is more for the streets and burns than mud and trails.
I might look at our local salvage yard too, see what they have and try to piece it together. But the ease of doing the body swap would be worth a little bit of money to me.
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however I want to save the long bed, truck is just to nice to cut up as well. Hey I will keep an eye on your progress. 
. Told the boss (wife) if I wait to long it will be summer!
