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All we know at this point, and we can't even be sure of that, is the intake came from a '65 352 - and that's only if someone didn't remove the engine tag and move it
You, me and the fence post cannot be sure of that, no one else can either.
1965/66 Galaxie/LTD 352/390 2V & F100/350 352 2V use the same intake manifold. But is it from one a these vehicles?
There are very few parts of a 352 engine that are specific to F100/350's. Exhaust manifolds, oil pan and engine mounts are, but not much else is.
The engine ID tag is usually bolted to the coil bracket...that is bolted to the intake manifold.
If someone went to a junkyard, bought a used coil, they probably wouldn't bother removing it from bracket. The person now has a used coil, coil bracket and the engine ID tag (if extant).
Hey everyone. Just finally getting back to this thread and seeing all of the responses. Thanks so much for all of them!!! Truthfully, i dont want the road draft tube, oil fill on the intake or any of that. I would love to replace the intake and get the motor breathing properly and vented as at this point - I really dont think that it is. Here are all the photos of the engine that i have for them moment.
Below is an example of an early FE intake. It was used for both road draft and PVC.
You can see the oil filler position has been blocked off by an expansion plug. The rear by an OEM block-off plate. This was a natural progression (until re-casts) for the period.
Your oil filer tube is a very early design meant for road draft is it has a splash pan. If you want to eliminate it w/o changing to a later style intake, just add an open breather cap on the left rocker cover. You can either remove or leave the intake filler tube.
You also have a period correct filler cap (Closed Emission) but has to have the nipple connected to the air cleaner asm to draw filtered air.
Below is an example of an early FE intake. It was used for both road draft and PVC.
You can see the oil filler position has been blocked off by an expansion plug. The rear by an OEM block-off plate. This was a natural progression (until re-casts) for the period.
Your oil filer tube is a very early design meant for road draft is it has a splash pan. If you want to eliminate it w/o changing to a later style intake, just add an open breather cap on the left rocker cover. You can either remove or leave the intake filler tube.
You also have a period correct filler cap (Closed Emission) but has to have the nipple connected to the air cleaner asm to draw filtered air.
hmmmm. So someone swapped manifolds at one point OR the engine tag I found was wrong. Interesting. So I'm now running an aftermarket filter. How would I eliminate this fill? Also - the only other fitting I have is on the right valve cover I have a pcv tube with a hose going into the intake. The filler tube puffs out blue smoke lightly when warm. I don't think this crankcase is vented properly at all sounds like due to a strange mix of various ford systems!! I also installed a vented breather cap on the driver side valve cover to replace the standard twist in fill cap that was there.
hmmmm. So someone swapped manifolds at one point OR the engine tag I found was wrong. Interesting. So I'm now running an aftermarket filter. How would I eliminate this fill? Also - the only other fitting I have is on the right valve cover I have a pcv tube with a hose going into the intake. The filler tube puffs out blue smoke lightly when warm. I don't think this crankcase is vented properly at all sounds like due to a strange mix of various ford systems!! I also installed a vented breather cap on the driver side valve cover to replace the standard twist in fill cap that was there.
I am of the opinion the tag is correct for the engine.
What you have to understand is that FORD during this period had to comply with ever changing emission law and they went about several methods to comply. LT was different than PASS.
If the fill tube open breather or rocker cover open breather cap is puffing, the system is non-functioning and/or has excessive blow-by.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
4 K = Assembled October (K) 1964 (4)
Your engine was early assembly, so it would have been built most likely with late 1964 emissions to a point.
You would need to refer to a 1965 FORD LT Engine Assembly Manual to discover exactly how it was assembled and even that can vary between assembly plants.
The FORD MPC might not contain all original info as it is updated on quarters and the early info not carried over. You would need an original copy of the MPC for that particular model year to find any deleted information
Are you trying to restore or just make functional?
Last edited by KULTULZ; Oct 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM.
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I am of the opinion the tag is correct for the engine.
What you have to understand is that FORD during this period had to comply with ever changing emission law and they went about several methods to comply. LT was different than PASS.
If the fill tube open breather or rocker cover open breather cap is puffing, the system is non-functioning and/or has excessive blow-by.
EDIT-
Your engine was early assembly, so it would have been built most likely with late 1964 emissions to a point.
You would need to refer to a 1965 FORD LT Engine Assembly Manual to discover exactly how it was assembled and even that can vary between assembly plants.
The FORD MPC might not contain all original info as it is updated on quarters and the early info not carried over. You would need an original copy of the MPC for that particular model year to find any deleted information
Are you trying to restore or just make functional?
More great information. Thankyou!!! Just make functional....VERY functional. This truck is quite soon going to be my daily driver. Motor runs pretty dang good minus requiring more carb tuning, as well as headers because factory manifolds are leaking terribly. She has plenty of power as well - I was driving the truck around a bit for the 1st time last night and throttle response felt great.
Just make functional....VERY functional. This truck is quite soon going to be my daily driver. Motor runs pretty dang good minus requiring more carb tuning, as well as headers because factory manifolds are leaking terribly. She has plenty of power as well - I was driving the truck around a bit for the 1st time last night and throttle response felt great.
If it were mine and I had no interest in a correct restoration, I would just make it functional. The intake tube can be retained but I would put a CLOSED SYSTEM fill cap (the present cap is CLOSED but has an un-connecter fresh air inlet with should be connected to the air cleaner. It may be correct or not) on it and install a CLOSED SYSTEM Filler Cap on the left rocker cover with a filtered air source to it with an in air cleaner filter. What side the actual valve is installed on is optional with this system.
The way that system is designed is period correct but went through many design updates afterwards and does not ventilate the left cyl head rocker arm area. It only ventilates the lifter valley and right rocker arm area.
Here are some basic illustrations showing OPEN and CLOSED SYSTEMS. The CLOSED SYSTEM will provide correctly filtered outside air.
The engine is probably correct for the truck but the intake is not, 352 engines in Ford pickups never came with a four barrel carburetor.
Does anyone know what years the road draft tube mounted straight back like the one in the photo.
OP when you took the photos where you working on the carb, the pcv hose is disconnected and there's no nuts holding the carb on.
The engine is probably correct for the truck but the intake is not, 352 engines in Ford pickups never came with a four barrel carburetor.
... hmm ...
Good Info as I am much better versed in PASS CAR.
Does anyone know what years the road draft tube mounted straight back like the one in the photo.
Bill (aka NumberDummy) may give us a answer on the BASIC PN 6758 (road draft tube) and when the intake mounted oil filler tube was dropped (indicating manifold redesign or tube blocking feature).
My 63 406 intake has the road draft tube mounted on top of the intake in place of the block off plate in the pic on post 18, his mounts straight out the back of the intake, my oil fill tube is straight, not curved and doesn't have the shroud like his.
I'm thinking the intake is off of a 50's or very early 60's model car engine.
Listing the casting numbers would help.
My 63 406 intake has the road draft tube mounted on top of the intake in place of the block off plate in the pic on post 18, his mounts straight out the back of the intake, my oil fill tube is straight, not curved and doesn't have the shroud like his.
I'm thinking the intake is off of a 50's or very early 60's model car engine.
Listing the casting numbers would help.
You're right! I just noticed the CCV design @ the rear of his intake. Early design 1958/
He does have a valve instead of the LT design road draft.
It (the system) is a mis-match and also non-functional.
(The 2nd photo in not OEM assembly but a fabrication. It only shows early FE CCV design).
I need a good road draft tube for my 63 intake if anybody has one, can't run a pcv system on a tri-power intake.
The only vacuum connection on the intake is behind the back carburetor, connecting a pcv to that port leans out the back two cylinders enough to cause them to misfire.
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