1984 FORD E350
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1984 FORD E350
Hello,
We just purchased a 1984 Newmar London Aire 27 ' Model Duke motor home.
1984 FORD E350
VIN: 1FDKE30L3EHA11679
Body Style: MOTORIZED HOME
Engine Size: 7.5L V8 4BL OHV
Drivetrain: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
The RV is not set up for recreational towing of a toad. Ellen and I contacted the Newmar company, and they have absolutely no information going back to 1984.
Any information on the following would be most gratefully appreciated.
Recreational towing hitch
necessary equipment
Weight guidlines
owners manuals
shop manuals
Your personal experience.
Thanks,
Alan & Ellen
We just purchased a 1984 Newmar London Aire 27 ' Model Duke motor home.
1984 FORD E350
VIN: 1FDKE30L3EHA11679
Body Style: MOTORIZED HOME
Engine Size: 7.5L V8 4BL OHV
Drivetrain: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
The RV is not set up for recreational towing of a toad. Ellen and I contacted the Newmar company, and they have absolutely no information going back to 1984.
Any information on the following would be most gratefully appreciated.
Recreational towing hitch
necessary equipment
Weight guidlines
owners manuals
shop manuals
Your personal experience.
Thanks,
Alan & Ellen
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From: St Albert, Alberta
Hello,
We just purchased a 1984 Newmar London Aire 27 ' Model Duke motor home.
1984 FORD E350
VIN: 1FDKE30L3EHA11679
Body Style: MOTORIZED HOME
Engine Size: 7.5L V8 4BL OHV
Drivetrain: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
The RV is not set up for recreational towing of a toad. Ellen and I contacted the Newmar company, and they have absolutely no information going back to 1984.
Any information on the following would be most gratefully appreciated.
Recreational towing hitch
necessary equipment
Weight guidlines
owners manuals
shop manuals
Your personal experience.
Thanks,
Alan & Ellen
We just purchased a 1984 Newmar London Aire 27 ' Model Duke motor home.
1984 FORD E350
VIN: 1FDKE30L3EHA11679
Body Style: MOTORIZED HOME
Engine Size: 7.5L V8 4BL OHV
Drivetrain: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
The RV is not set up for recreational towing of a toad. Ellen and I contacted the Newmar company, and they have absolutely no information going back to 1984.
Any information on the following would be most gratefully appreciated.
Recreational towing hitch
necessary equipment
Weight guidlines
owners manuals
shop manuals
Your personal experience.
Thanks,
Alan & Ellen
If you can post a photo of the Certification label.
The information should be on there.
You will the certification label for both the chassis and the bit Newmar did.
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Allen & Ellen,
Welcome to FTE
As Matt said the cert. label is a start.
You may also want to load the motor home (MH) like you would when going camping and run it across a scale to see what it weights.
With the cert. label and the weight you should be able to figure how much you can pull/tow and put inside the MH.
The other thing we need to know is what are you looking to tow/pull with the MH?
How much does it weigh because you will need to get a hitch that can handle it.
Also you should get under the back end and see where the frame stops.
Some stop feet before the back of the MH and if it has a bumper is nothing but a sheet metal tube to hold the black water drain hose.
Dave ----
Welcome to FTE
As Matt said the cert. label is a start.
You may also want to load the motor home (MH) like you would when going camping and run it across a scale to see what it weights.
With the cert. label and the weight you should be able to figure how much you can pull/tow and put inside the MH.
The other thing we need to know is what are you looking to tow/pull with the MH?
How much does it weigh because you will need to get a hitch that can handle it.
Also you should get under the back end and see where the frame stops.
Some stop feet before the back of the MH and if it has a bumper is nothing but a sheet metal tube to hold the black water drain hose.
Dave ----
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Now some campers like travel trailers have a plate on them. Older ones it was by the door, don't know on the newer ones.
Have you seen any plates or labels any where on the MH?
Dave ----
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You are looking for the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association (RVIA) certification weight sticker. It may be affixed to the inside of one of the cupboard doors this is a common spot for it.
I would call Newmar back and ask them where they would normally locate/affix it.
Below is an example I grabbed off the net.
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I don't think there were a lot of differences from 1983 to 1984, but it's something to keep in mind. I once had a small motorhome titled as a 1978, but it was built on a 1977 Dodge chassis. Big differences in that example. Drove me nuts until I figured it out.
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Cargo Master
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you can find and get the ford chassis service manual which will cover the chassis info. the coach info might be harder, this obviously was pre-internet so they didnt computerize it.
you likely have a 7-8ft overhang on the rear, a baseline for the cutaways are about 3klb trailer, 300lb tongue. some of the newer ones are over 5K.
take a pic of how the frame extension is attached and post it.
being an 84, no OD unless a GV unit is installed, so with the 1:1 C6, that rear end might be kinda light...get the axle code off it.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/newmarcorp....ondon-aire.pdf
you likely have a 7-8ft overhang on the rear, a baseline for the cutaways are about 3klb trailer, 300lb tongue. some of the newer ones are over 5K.
take a pic of how the frame extension is attached and post it.
being an 84, no OD unless a GV unit is installed, so with the 1:1 C6, that rear end might be kinda light...get the axle code off it.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/newmarcorp....ondon-aire.pdf
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you can find and get the ford chassis service manual which will cover the chassis info. the coach info might be harder, this obviously was pre-internet so they didnt computerize it.
you likely have a 7-8ft overhang on the rear, a baseline for the cutaways are about 3klb trailer, 300lb tongue. some of the newer ones are over 5K.
take a pic of how the frame extension is attached and post it.
being an 84, no OD unless a GV unit is installed, so with the 1:1 C6, that rear end might be kinda light...get the axle code off it.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/newmarcorp....ondon-aire.pdf
you likely have a 7-8ft overhang on the rear, a baseline for the cutaways are about 3klb trailer, 300lb tongue. some of the newer ones are over 5K.
take a pic of how the frame extension is attached and post it.
being an 84, no OD unless a GV unit is installed, so with the 1:1 C6, that rear end might be kinda light...get the axle code off it.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/newmarcorp....ondon-aire.pdf
Not sure why would think that rear end would be light, it has the Dana 70 with the 11,000 GVWR package as per the brochure. At 27' the heaviest chassis cutaway Ford had at the time would have been used as indicated by the 11,000# GVWR.
The GVWR in the brochure is about the same as today's E350 cutaways with the heavy payload package on the 176" wheelbase the short wheelbase have lighter GVWR's
The GCVW of this chassis in 84 with the 7.5 was 18,500# with a 4.09 rear axle and was rated 10,000# trailer tow, the 3.55 rear gears drops the GCVW to 15,000# and 9,100# for towing.
So with an approx dry weight of 9600# plus 400# for fluids and approx 1000# for personal items give or take. I would calculate trailer tow with the 4.09 Rear end at 7,000-7,500# and with the 3.55's approx 3,500-4,000#.
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From: Cook Forest and Irwin PA
light means lower numerically gear ratio. this coach was available on the chevy 3500 chassis as well which only came with a 350 in that year, so the 460 being overkill comparatively, it could be in the 3.50 range in order to keep overall performance/mileage near the same.
the real killer however is the frame extension and how it was done. namely tongue weight. on more modern or heavier coaches that use a steel space frame - like a 'bago for example - there is actually some frame support from the coach floor to downward deflections. just looking at the pics in the attached brochure Im not convinced this model has such and in fact the coach may more of a 'unibody' design where the curved panels provide longitudinal support. given the '10% rule' of trailers, a 300lb tongue necessitates a 3K trailer limit as a WD hitch is ineffective on such a long rear overhang.
that being said, I have violated my coach's restriction when towing a car 2 down on a dolly, the wagon I towed was 3400 plus 500 for the dolly and I allowed it because loaded, a dolly tongue is about 100lbs. a 4 down tow would be even easier on the downward forces.
the real killer however is the frame extension and how it was done. namely tongue weight. on more modern or heavier coaches that use a steel space frame - like a 'bago for example - there is actually some frame support from the coach floor to downward deflections. just looking at the pics in the attached brochure Im not convinced this model has such and in fact the coach may more of a 'unibody' design where the curved panels provide longitudinal support. given the '10% rule' of trailers, a 300lb tongue necessitates a 3K trailer limit as a WD hitch is ineffective on such a long rear overhang.
that being said, I have violated my coach's restriction when towing a car 2 down on a dolly, the wagon I towed was 3400 plus 500 for the dolly and I allowed it because loaded, a dolly tongue is about 100lbs. a 4 down tow would be even easier on the downward forces.
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We just purchased a 1984 E350 Newmar London Aire 27' Class C Model Duke motor home.
VIN: 1FDKE30L3EHA11679
1FD = FoMoCo USA .. Ford .. Incomplete Vehicle.
K = Class 3 .. Hydraulic Brakes .. 10,001-14,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating range.
E30 = E350 RV Cut-Away.
L = 7.5L (460 4V).
3 = Check digit, FoMoCo use only.
E = 1984.
H = Lorain OH Assembly Plant.
A11679 = 1984 Numerical Sequence of Assembly, this E350's specific serial number.
Cut-Away: E350 cargo van with the body cut off behind the front seats, so that Class C motorhome, box van, ambulance and people mover bodies could be installed.
1984 E350 could have a Dana 60; Dana 60.3; Dana 61-1, or Dana 70 rear axle.
Note: You posted this question in the wrong forum, as this forum is for 1980/86 F100/350's.
Please ask further questions in the 1968/2013 Full Sized Van forum.
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Hello,
It has been pointed out to me by a member that this is an incorrect forum to post my inquiry in.
My grateful thanks for your suggestions. I have posted photos of the certifications in the 1968/2013 Full Sized Van Forum
Alan & Ellen
It has been pointed out to me by a member that this is an incorrect forum to post my inquiry in.
My grateful thanks for your suggestions. I have posted photos of the certifications in the 1968/2013 Full Sized Van Forum
Alan & Ellen
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Please repost your pictures here, OK?
Sure, officially, this is an "incorrect" forum, but my feelings are that we have pretty decent people here who know this era and who will try and help you, and virtually none of us (to my knowledge) go to the van forum.
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btw: ctubutis (Chris) and I are at odds (so what else is new!?) and right now, Chris is at my apartment...in the next room.
