DRIVE TO CLEAN MESSAGE ????
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The regens are triggered by a differential pressure sensor on the DPF (besides mileage based regen), and have nothing to do with the temp sensors. On the upstream side, it is seeing full exhaust pressure. On the downstream side, it is seeing whatever density altitude you are in at the time. At high altitudes, with low humidity and high temps, the sensor gets confused because of the density altitude being higher, while the pressure on the upstream of the DPF is the same. It sees this as extreme plugging of the DPF and triggers the "DPF Full - Drive to clean" message. This is why at those same altitudes on a cooler day, or when not towing and creating tons of exhaust flow, you won't see that message. The sensor simply doesn't have enough sensitivity in the atmospheric side. Obviously, the temp sensors come into play when the ECM is monitoring the burn in the system, but are not directly creating the need to drive to clean. Maybe a reflash can correct the sensitivity of the differential pressure sensor.
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The regens are triggered by a differential pressure sensor on the DPF (besides mileage based regen), and have nothing to do with the temp sensors. On the upstream side, it is seeing full exhaust pressure. On the downstream side, it is seeing whatever density altitude you are in at the time. At high altitudes, with low humidity and high temps, the sensor gets confused because of the density altitude being higher, while the pressure on the upstream of the DPF is the same. It sees this as extreme plugging of the DPF and triggers the "DPF Full - Drive to clean" message. This is why at those same altitudes on a cooler day, or when not towing and creating tons of exhaust flow, you won't see that message. The sensor simply doesn't have enough sensitivity in the atmospheric side. Obviously, the temp sensors come into play when the ECM is monitoring the burn in the system, but are not directly creating the need to drive to clean. Maybe a reflash can correct the sensitivity of the differential pressure sensor.
Why in the world would it read the Density Altitude, it's a truck not a helicopter? I'm not doubting you are right but it doesn't make sense. Just read the exhaust pressure and clean accordingly. Iam gonna get a flash as soon as I can but I am curious why it would read DA.
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From: Hempstead, TX
Why in the world would it read the Density Altitude, it's a truck not a helicopter? I'm not doubting you are right but it doesn't make sense. Just read the exhaust pressure and clean accordingly. Iam gonna get a flash as soon as I can but I am curious why it would read DA.
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I just got my son an '87 bmw and one of the things about the Bosch motronic 1.0 is that it seeks input from an altimeter in the intake. Fuel mapping to a precise degree has to know barometric pressure which is a function of weather and altitude. Flow restriction would seek the same info I would think, if they want precision and reliability, with accuracy. Gotta have an accurate baseline air density value somehow.
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I think I have a decent understanding now of the "DPF Full" (real bad), and "Cleaning Exhaust Filter" (normal) messages. The question I have is if you catch the "Cleaning Exhaust Filter" message when it flashes, how long does that cleaning normally take? Like how long do I need to drive to make sure the regen cycle is complete? I haven't purchased the ForeScan app yet, will that tell me when it's 100% clean and the regen is done? Is it like 20 minutes?
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I think I have a decent understanding now of the "DPF Full" (real bad), and "Cleaning Exhaust Filter" (normal) messages. The question I have is if you catch the "Cleaning Exhaust Filter" message when it flashes, how long does that cleaning normally take? Like how long do I need to drive to make sure the regen cycle is complete? I haven't purchased the ForeScan app yet, will that tell me when it's 100% clean and the regen is done? Is it like 20 minutes?
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And you don't *have* to have the app to know. If you just watch your MPG screen, when regen kicks in, your instant MPG drops considerably. when done, it jumps back up again.
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I think I have a decent understanding now of the "DPF Full" (real bad), and "Cleaning Exhaust Filter" (normal) messages. The question I have is if you catch the "Cleaning Exhaust Filter" message when it flashes, how long does that cleaning normally take? Like how long do I need to drive to make sure the regen cycle is complete? I haven't purchased the ForeScan app yet, will that tell me when it's 100% clean and the regen is done? Is it like 20 minutes?
I watch my regens on my iDash...usually takes 12 to 15 miles, regular driving (60% highway/40% city to work normally), no towing and about 11.3k miles...