Auto trans questions
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Auto trans questions
Anyone know a good wa transmission builder preferably around kitsap co that's knows how to build the 4r100? I contacted John woods and bts. Woods is backloged and can't touch another transmission for awhile and bts hasn't responded after a few attempts. Sadly my transmission blew the front pump seal two weeks ago 12 miles up a forest service road. It's my daily driver so I Need to get it fixed asap but would rather replace the weak stock transmission with something that's not going to leave my family stranded in the mountains again.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
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You may want to look into the 4R100 HD from Ford. A few folks run one with good results and is quite a bit less expensive than the two mentioned. They are superior builders but as you can see very busy.
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Thanks, for the reply. After getting a quote from a local transmission shop for a hp build and 4.30 gear install I did go to our local ford dealer to see if they built a hp 4r100. My local dealer told me they only sell re manufactured trans based on the original oem parts. They will however install any aftermarket trans for around 600-800$. I'll have to look online for the ford hd transmission .
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I might have to get my front seal and put in a new torque converter just to get me going and then when woods or bts has the time, have him build me one( I need a dependable transmission). I just see tons of $$$$$$$ flying out of my bank to do both which isn't going to sit well with the ol'lady!!!! I'd rather spend 7-8k one time Than a temp 2k fix just to turn around and shell out another 7-8k. If there was a local builder in the NW that anyone has used and is good. I'm willing to use a local builder. I did get a quote from "All About Transmissions" in Bremerton and Garret the owner has 3+ 7.3l trucks and did all the HP upgraded trans on his and kids trucks. He seems knowledgeable and he has worked on a previous differential for me so I'm now leaning in that direction. But with no recommendations from anyone other than the owner and 9k for hp trans and 4.30 front and rear gears has me keeping my options open.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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this information may help you.
After exhaustive internet searching, this is all I can find:
Launch of Heavy Duty 4R100
BACKGROUND
To address customer demand for a heavy duty transmission to meet the high load, severe duty cycle needs of commercial and recreational users, FCSD is releasing an enhanced version of our remanufactured 4R100 transmission.
This transmission will be Motorcraft branded and offered for customer-paid repairs only.
FEATURES / BENEFITS
This exciting new product is built with numerous durability and performance upgrades. These include:
Enhanced Torque Converter for better performance and longer life
Oversize one piece case bushing for improved durability
Enhanced Forward, Direct, and Intermediate Friction plates for longer life under heavy load shifts
All new special upgraded steel plates
Center Support Enhancements for improved gear train life
Mercon V-OIL for greater heat resistance
Oversize Pump Gear Set for improved oil flow
Upgraded Extension Housing Bushing for improved durability
45 Element Intermediate Sprag for greater strength to withstand heavy loads
Special coast clutch drum for improved engine braking and increased durability
All new iron planetary assemblies for improved durability
All new one way clutches for improved durability
All new electronics for improved reliability
Revised calibration gives better shifts for heavy duty use
Improved gasketing for reduced leaks
ORDERING INFORMATION
Order from your Powertrain Distributor.
APPLICATION INFORMATION
This Heavy Duty transmission is offered in 4 versions to fit non PTO diesel equipped trucks from 1999 to 2003 model years.
Detailed application data is in the attached file (Excel) (Pdf) as well as Dealer Catalog systems.
The regular 4R100 applications will still be available.
Order the HD4R100 based on your customer mix keeping in mind fleet, towing, and commercial users will be the likely users of this product.
PRICING
Dealer Net Price is $2494.00 with a $1000.00 core deposit.
Suggested Retail is $3325.33.
This price is very competitive with other heavy duty units available in the market today
Service Part Number Motorcraft HD4R100 TRM Number
1999 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000HBRM 6U2Z7V000HRM TRM-1621
1999 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000LBRM 6U2Z7V000LRM TRM-1622
2000 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000HBRM 6U2Z7V000HRM TRM-1621
2000 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000LBRM 6U2Z7V000LRM TRM-1622
2001 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000EBRM 1C3Z7V000ERM 6U2Z7V000ERM TRM-1619
2001 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000FBRM 1C3Z7V000FRM 6U2Z7V000FRM TRM-1620
2002 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000EBRM 6U2Z7V000ERM TRM-1619
2002 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000FBRM 6U2Z7V000FRM TRM-1620
2003 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000EBRM 6U2Z7V000ERM TRM-1619
2003 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000FBRM 6U2Z7V000FRM TRM-1620
Launch of Heavy Duty 4R100
BACKGROUND
To address customer demand for a heavy duty transmission to meet the high load, severe duty cycle needs of commercial and recreational users, FCSD is releasing an enhanced version of our remanufactured 4R100 transmission.
This transmission will be Motorcraft branded and offered for customer-paid repairs only.
FEATURES / BENEFITS
This exciting new product is built with numerous durability and performance upgrades. These include:
Enhanced Torque Converter for better performance and longer life
Oversize one piece case bushing for improved durability
Enhanced Forward, Direct, and Intermediate Friction plates for longer life under heavy load shifts
All new special upgraded steel plates
Center Support Enhancements for improved gear train life
Mercon V-OIL for greater heat resistance
Oversize Pump Gear Set for improved oil flow
Upgraded Extension Housing Bushing for improved durability
45 Element Intermediate Sprag for greater strength to withstand heavy loads
Special coast clutch drum for improved engine braking and increased durability
All new iron planetary assemblies for improved durability
All new one way clutches for improved durability
All new electronics for improved reliability
Revised calibration gives better shifts for heavy duty use
Improved gasketing for reduced leaks
ORDERING INFORMATION
Order from your Powertrain Distributor.
APPLICATION INFORMATION
This Heavy Duty transmission is offered in 4 versions to fit non PTO diesel equipped trucks from 1999 to 2003 model years.
Detailed application data is in the attached file (Excel) (Pdf) as well as Dealer Catalog systems.
The regular 4R100 applications will still be available.
Order the HD4R100 based on your customer mix keeping in mind fleet, towing, and commercial users will be the likely users of this product.
PRICING
Dealer Net Price is $2494.00 with a $1000.00 core deposit.
Suggested Retail is $3325.33.
This price is very competitive with other heavy duty units available in the market today
Service Part Number Motorcraft HD4R100 TRM Number
1999 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000HBRM 6U2Z7V000HRM TRM-1621
1999 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000LBRM 6U2Z7V000LRM TRM-1622
2000 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000HBRM 6U2Z7V000HRM TRM-1621
2000 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 7.3L F81Z7V000LBRM 6U2Z7V000LRM TRM-1622
2001 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000EBRM 1C3Z7V000ERM 6U2Z7V000ERM TRM-1619
2001 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000FBRM 1C3Z7V000FRM 6U2Z7V000FRM TRM-1620
2002 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000EBRM 6U2Z7V000ERM TRM-1619
2002 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000FBRM 6U2Z7V000FRM TRM-1620
2003 4R100HD Super Duty 4X2 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000EBRM 6U2Z7V000ERM TRM-1619
2003 4R100HD Super Duty 4X4 F250, 350, 450, 550 EXCURSION 7.3L 1C3Z7000FBRM 6U2Z7V000FRM TRM-1620
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A new transmission is not going to fix hot fluid from driving slow up a winding rountain road. It doesn't matter who builds the transmission, that front pump seal is going to leak when the transmission gets hot. If the seal physically blew out, the only way to fix that is staking.
Either Drive in a manner that keeps the transmission cooler, get tuning that keeps the torque converter clutch applied in certain gears, or install a larger transmission cooler.
Either Drive in a manner that keeps the transmission cooler, get tuning that keeps the torque converter clutch applied in certain gears, or install a larger transmission cooler.
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A new transmission is not going to fix hot fluid from driving slow up a winding rountain road. It doesn't matter who builds the transmission, that front pump seal is going to leak when the transmission gets hot. If the seal physically blew out, the only way to fix that is staking.
Either Drive in a manner that keeps the transmission cooler, get tuning that keeps the torque converter clutch applied in certain gears, or install a larger transmission cooler.
Either Drive in a manner that keeps the transmission cooler, get tuning that keeps the torque converter clutch applied in certain gears, or install a larger transmission cooler.
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What the heck does HP stand for, in the way you are using it?
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Hahaha. I'll tack that on with my soon to be 9k bill. Lol
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The issue is probably that you're used to towing with the Duramax/Allison that had the Tow/Haul mode. This function changes the transmission shifting strategy to apply the torque converter clutch in 2nd gear and hold it through the remaining upshifts. The 4R100 (the associated strategies programmed in the PCM) has ALWAYS had terrible strategies for torque converter clutch apply and release points because there was never a dedicated "tow mode". Unfortunately the harshness police put the skids on any kind of torque converter clutch apply at light loads in 2nd gear so the only way to get it was to give her "the onion" but that only works as long as the shift strategy in question doesn't release the converter clutch on deceleration.
The biggest issue though is that (when in conjunction with the programming shortfalls) the gear ratios in the 4R100 are absolute dog****. Compare the first three ratios of the 4R100 with the Allison and you'll find that the 4R100 pulls in 1st and 2nd just like the Allison would in 2nd and 3rd. Additionally the stall speed of the torque converter between the two is also worlds different.....the Ford has much more "slip" in the fluid coupling than the GM creating more heat.
The biggest issue though is that (when in conjunction with the programming shortfalls) the gear ratios in the 4R100 are absolute dog****. Compare the first three ratios of the 4R100 with the Allison and you'll find that the 4R100 pulls in 1st and 2nd just like the Allison would in 2nd and 3rd. Additionally the stall speed of the torque converter between the two is also worlds different.....the Ford has much more "slip" in the fluid coupling than the GM creating more heat.