2000+ Miles overloaded
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So, in your opinion, it's perfectly OK to tow overloaded? Really?
Let's say I could squeeze some tractor trailer tires on my truck that were rated for ....oh, let's say 10,000 lbs each on the rear axle. That would theoretically give me a 40,000 lbs load capacity on my Dually. Would you still think it's OK for me to load close to 40,000 lbs in the back of my truck?
Let's say I could squeeze some tractor trailer tires on my truck that were rated for ....oh, let's say 10,000 lbs each on the rear axle. That would theoretically give me a 40,000 lbs load capacity on my Dually. Would you still think it's OK for me to load close to 40,000 lbs in the back of my truck?
Tandem axles with duals is legally allowed 34,000 pounds. The statutes say absolutely nothing about axle ratings. So you're wrapped around the axle on something the manufacturer puts there. No one cares about that until a warranty issue shows up.
Your assertion that he was severely overloaded is ridiculous. The tire would be the first point of failure on something like this.
Assuming a load range E tire the single tire rating would be 3,690 x 2 tires = 7,380. Which is well over what he was carrying. That is not a concern.
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Anyway you slice it, the truck GVWR is 8800 lbs. The scale ticket shows shows 10,060 for a front and rear axle weight.....which is 1,260 lbs overloaded....number don't lie.
And according to what he wrote in as the rear axle weight ratings 5892 and the scale ticket shows the 6780, that is a rear axle overload of 888 lbs....almost 900.....again, numbers don't lie....and it all boils down to whether or not you or anyone else is willing to accept the numbers. Pretty easy really.
And according to what he wrote in as the rear axle weight ratings 5892 and the scale ticket shows the 6780, that is a rear axle overload of 888 lbs....almost 900.....again, numbers don't lie....and it all boils down to whether or not you or anyone else is willing to accept the numbers. Pretty easy really.
The combined gvw of the truck and trailer leaves lots of room to spare, it just needed to be loaded differently. If we want to rant about it, the problem is not that there's not enough capacity for the load, the problem is that it's loaded wrong. The op indicated that there wasn't much choice in how it was loaded, but if this is going to be a regular thing with this rig, they need to figure out a better way - because the trailer would pull much better with a little better weight distribution. Yeah you could solve it all by throwing a one ton dually at it, or even better yet IMHO, a gooseneck or fifth wheel trailer (in that length, it's just really hard to balance a bumper pull). But that's throwing money at a problem you don't really have - just need to correctly utilize what you have.
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1979 Ford wrote:
Tire ratings are always higher than an axle rating. And every truck manufacturer ALWAYS tells you to never exceed any of the weight ratings....GVWR, GCWR, Axle weight ratings, payload ratings.....none of them. We don't get to pick and choose.....well, I'm OK on the tires, but my axle is overloaded by xxx lbs. My payload capacity is overloaded, but the axle isn't. And I agree, I see seriously overloaded trucks everyday.....well, almost everyday...but that still doesn't make it right or legal.
In my case, with the Toy Hauler that I have, you really don't have a "choice" on redistributing the weight sometimes. The motorcycles and toolbox and "stuff" that I take when I go to the track, is made to fit in the garage area. It's not like I can move it to the kitchen or bedroom to redistribute the weight. I agree, that if it can be redistributed, by all means do what you can do, but the bottom line is that if that can't be done, and you are overloaded, it's time to rethink other options.
Assuming a load range E tire the single tire rating would be 3,690 x 2 tires = 7,380. Which is well over what he was carrying. That is not a concern.
In my case, with the Toy Hauler that I have, you really don't have a "choice" on redistributing the weight sometimes. The motorcycles and toolbox and "stuff" that I take when I go to the track, is made to fit in the garage area. It's not like I can move it to the kitchen or bedroom to redistribute the weight. I agree, that if it can be redistributed, by all means do what you can do, but the bottom line is that if that can't be done, and you are overloaded, it's time to rethink other options.
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1979 Ford wrote:
Tire ratings are always higher than an axle rating. And every truck manufacturer ALWAYS tells you to never exceed any of the weight ratings....GVWR, GCWR, Axle weight ratings, payload ratings.....none of them. We don't get to pick and choose.....well, I'm OK on the tires, but my axle is overloaded by xxx lbs. My payload capacity is overloaded, but the axle isn't. And I agree, I see seriously overloaded trucks everyday.....well, almost everyday...but that still doesn't make it right or legal.
In my case, with the Toy Hauler that I have, you really don't have a "choice" on redistributing the weight sometimes. The motorcycles and toolbox and "stuff" that I take when I go to the track, is made to fit in the garage area. It's not like I can move it to the kitchen or bedroom to redistribute the weight. I agree, that if it can be redistributed, by all means do what you can do, but the bottom line is that if that can't be done, and you are overloaded, it's time to rethink other options.
Tire ratings are always higher than an axle rating. And every truck manufacturer ALWAYS tells you to never exceed any of the weight ratings....GVWR, GCWR, Axle weight ratings, payload ratings.....none of them. We don't get to pick and choose.....well, I'm OK on the tires, but my axle is overloaded by xxx lbs. My payload capacity is overloaded, but the axle isn't. And I agree, I see seriously overloaded trucks everyday.....well, almost everyday...but that still doesn't make it right or legal.
In my case, with the Toy Hauler that I have, you really don't have a "choice" on redistributing the weight sometimes. The motorcycles and toolbox and "stuff" that I take when I go to the track, is made to fit in the garage area. It's not like I can move it to the kitchen or bedroom to redistribute the weight. I agree, that if it can be redistributed, by all means do what you can do, but the bottom line is that if that can't be done, and you are overloaded, it's time to rethink other options.
The reason they do, is to avoid civil liability and as a way to void a warranty. You are trying to enforce some that is impossible to enforce.
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I am not trying to ENFORCE anything! All I'm trying to do is enlighten someone about not towing overloaded. Some people don't realize the issues with that, some don't care, others are thankful for the info, and then.......well, there are folks that just will not accept facts. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.
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Do the rules determine that all the cars look the same or is that the result of the engineering dictating that shape?
As to your weight tickets and towing, the problem is not the trailer or it's weight, it's all the stuff you have in the back of the truck. Must be 1500lbs plus. Can any of that fit in the trailer?
As to your weight tickets and towing, the problem is not the trailer or it's weight, it's all the stuff you have in the back of the truck. Must be 1500lbs plus. Can any of that fit in the trailer?
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Nope, but the wind tunnel testing pretty much does ....
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