Everyone of our competitors has close to 350 in their trucks. Why is it that we are stuck back in 300. Are they going to up it at all or are they just going to sit on it. I hope we at least get up to 350 in the next year or two.

 

I would be willing to bet that the 3v 5.4L F-150 will out pull any other half ton truck currently made.

Dodge can claim their "hemi" is the baddest thing on the street, but hell my sisters toyota has a hemi in it too, and its not the be all, end all of performance.

 

The new Hemi is all bark and no bite.

 

horsepower only is not the key number. Check out the torque and when the peak torque is produced. Ford produces a huge amount of torque at a relatively low RPM. The Hemi produces some serious torque but not until around 4000 rpm.

 

Peak horsepower and peak torque do not effect the same things. High speed use requires hugh peak horsepower. If you are going to use a truck like the new F150 like it is designed for then why worry about the top end speed? I sure wouldn't be trying to outrun anyone while pulling a loaded trailer anyway.

The high torque at low rpms is exactly what you need if someone desires to use close to the max 9,900 lb tow cap of this awsome F150. Not to mention the 3,000 lb payload cap. How is anyone going to benefit from more horsepower while doing those things?

Ford didn't make a mistake in the design of the F150's 5.4 and it's horsepower. They made a decision to build a low rpm torque engine for a truck that needs it.

 

Lets remember that Ford vs. Comp should be kept to a TECHNICAL level, and not an opinion, lets also remember that this forum is to be used not for discusing ford vs. comp, that discusion has its own place. So if we care to continue on why the 5.4 only has 300 hp, thats fine by me, but lets leave the hemi and the toyota out of it. Thanks guys.

 

I believe the 5.4 is maxed out on hp and torque already. The Lincoln Navigator uses the 4v version of the 5.4 and it also cranks out 300 hp and 355 ft/lbs of torque. If Ford could get more power out that one I'm sure they would. That the 3v engine cranks out 300 hp with less valves and produces slightly more torque is impressive and Ford should be commended for it.

 

the 5.4 isn't even close to maxed out yet. This engine has alot of potential left in it. Look to the Lightning...rumored to soon be producing 500 hp. take the blower off that and naturally aspriated your still probalby in high 300's

 

Exactly. The new Lincoln Aviator, based on the Explorer, has a 4.6 that's making over 300 horses. So the 5.4 is not close to maxed out. I think Ford is starting at 300 so they have "room to grow" as competition heats up in the future.

 

I still have not seen published numbers on zero to 60, or quarter mile for the new 300 HP 5.4. Ford literature keeps saying that they develop 80 % of their torque at 1000 rpm.
Motor Trend just tested the Chev SS with 345 hp, and the Dodge hemi with 345, and I think the Chev did 6.6 to 60 and the Dodge 6.8. So, I'll wait to see what the new Ford does.

I do believe horsepower is important though. Most of us F150 owners drive empty or mostly empty 95% of the time. And, who wants to get smoked by a Dodge hemi redlight to redlight? I guess , after spending 30000 bucks for a new 04 F150, we could roll down the window, after getting smoked by a hemi, and say "Thats OK, if I ever tow 9300 pounds, I'll do it faster than you!"

My hope is that the new 5.4 will at least keep up with these other two when accelerating, as I truly believe the F150 will out tow either one.

Time will tell!

 

well first off redlight to redlight racing is kinda immature and irresponsible anyhow. Secondly i think the majority of us would rather just have a truck that out races everyone else, we'd rather have a truck that out works everyone.

 

I just got my latest copy of Car and Driver and they tested an 04 F150 Lariat Supercab with the 5.4 and they posted a 0 to 60 time of 8.2 seconds, 1/4 mile was 16.3 secs at 84mph. This one had the 3.73 axle.

 

Yes, racing on the street is irresponsible, and I didn't mean to encourage it. What I was trying to point out is, these new trucks are expensive, and if a 23000 dodge Hemi 1500 is much faster than the F150, it hurts. Maybe it's just bragging rights, but why is Ford always down on horsepower. Why do we Ford guys have to buy a Harley Davidson or Lightning to get real horsepower. The Dodge Hemi is available as an option. The 5.4 Harley or lightning engines are NOT available to a guy who wants more power in say a XLT Supercab.

That's my point and my main gripe with Ford.
End of rant.

 

well for one, if you want bragging rights against chevy's new ss, or against dodge's hemi, then go with a comporable ford, like the harley davidson, or the lightning and then you can run circles around them. these are sport trucks and weren't made to haul trailers, they were made haul a@@. here is a little clue for you: ford made the harley davidson a super duty now, you know why? because people wanted to tow, but couldnt tow with the s/c 150

bottom line, when you are talking trucks, you are talking torque, and on top of that, you are talking low end torque for pulling stumps. Ford has something no one else has. they have close to 300 ft-lbs of torque at 1000 rpm. for a truck, what else do you want???? the hemi is worthless for a truck engine, it would be better in a car... for chevy, they have always bragged on HP, have you ever heard them brag on torque??? no... bottom line, a truck is made to work, and if you like dodge's hemi, that has to screem to 4000 rpm before it decides to move that trailer, then go buy it. you will be sorely dissappointed.... fords new truck is not here to win the race, if you want that wait for the lightning, fords new truck is here to get the work done...period!

 

Yeah, and I saw this morning a GMC commercial already attacking the 4.6L F-150, they said "we have the most standard horsepower, try as they might, they still can't catch up." I say b/s to that. That 4.6 will out pull that 4.8 GMC.