Edge Tuner Question
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Edge Tuner Question
When using a tuner while hauling do you still use tow/haul mode on the truck? I have an Edge Evolution Tuner on my 2004 F350 XLT 4x4 dually with 6.0. Is there any way to find out what parameters change in each mode on Tuner?
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I am not familiar with the edge tuner . With the bully dog you can momitor different things as to pyro temp, boost, ect . But the most important thing for me is pryo exhaust temp should stay between 1000 and 1175 constant and not go above 1350 more than momentary. I have mine set to detune at 1350
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First about tow/haul, all that does is run what amounts to a second transmission program. It changes shift points and a few other things, but it's not necessarily impacted by a PCM tune unless that tune was written to change it. Innovative Diesel used to write tunes that would modify the T/H parameters to create an Aggressive T/H only when the button was pressed. I doubt that a canned Edge tune did anything drastic, it probably is written to make their T/H program be about as different from non-T/H as what you experience in a stock tune.
About the parameters that are changed by a tune... no, there's not a way to know HOW parameters are changed by each tune, because that's the proprietary part of what tuner's do. Even SCT custom tunes can be locked so that you can't just pull up a tune in the editing software and see what changes that tuner made. It's no secret WHAT in general is changed, but the how of it is unique to each tune writter.
WHAT is changed is all the engine program mapping. There are tables that map a ton of things, pedal input, oil pressure, fueling rate and timing, boost vs rpm, etc. Some people bump timing a degree because in theory that helps bump fuel economy, but too much timing increases cylinder pressure and can lift the amazing four bolt heads. One change is to debate how much boost pressure to run at a cruising speed, some people want to run a higher pressure all the time to have more instant-on power to pass, but the trade-off is you probably see less overall economy. So maybe good for a guy in medium traffic daily where a nasty turbo lag would make changing lanes harder, but not so good for a guy running 70mph unloaded down the highway usually.
There was a lot going around a few years ago that Bill Cohron at Power Hungry Performance was the guy who wrote the canned Edge tunes. He still sells custom tunes for the 6.0, so the closest you might get that what's actually in your Evo is to call him and talk about what he does re: custom tuning. Then you should probably buy something from him like his Atlas 40 FICM tune, because he's a nice guy and you shouldn't pump him for information then dump him. Plus the Atlas 40 tune is the closest thing anyone has done in the 15 year life of the 6.0 to bump up usable power while creating (for some people) slightly better economy.
Are these your options?
Or you can buy a tuning software and spent a lot of time on their forums working specifically on how tunes are written to learn about it, it would be interesting to get involved on the front end actually in a software:
https://sctflash.com/Products/softwa.../advantage-iii
https://www.hptuners.com/
About the parameters that are changed by a tune... no, there's not a way to know HOW parameters are changed by each tune, because that's the proprietary part of what tuner's do. Even SCT custom tunes can be locked so that you can't just pull up a tune in the editing software and see what changes that tuner made. It's no secret WHAT in general is changed, but the how of it is unique to each tune writter.
WHAT is changed is all the engine program mapping. There are tables that map a ton of things, pedal input, oil pressure, fueling rate and timing, boost vs rpm, etc. Some people bump timing a degree because in theory that helps bump fuel economy, but too much timing increases cylinder pressure and can lift the amazing four bolt heads. One change is to debate how much boost pressure to run at a cruising speed, some people want to run a higher pressure all the time to have more instant-on power to pass, but the trade-off is you probably see less overall economy. So maybe good for a guy in medium traffic daily where a nasty turbo lag would make changing lanes harder, but not so good for a guy running 70mph unloaded down the highway usually.
There was a lot going around a few years ago that Bill Cohron at Power Hungry Performance was the guy who wrote the canned Edge tunes. He still sells custom tunes for the 6.0, so the closest you might get that what's actually in your Evo is to call him and talk about what he does re: custom tuning. Then you should probably buy something from him like his Atlas 40 FICM tune, because he's a nice guy and you shouldn't pump him for information then dump him. Plus the Atlas 40 tune is the closest thing anyone has done in the 15 year life of the 6.0 to bump up usable power while creating (for some people) slightly better economy.
Originally Posted by Old Edge Evo Tunes
Level 0: Stock
Level 1 (Trans Only) Only adds transmission line pressure for firmer shifts.
Level 2 (Economy): 15 Horsepower - 55 Foot Pounds of Torque
Level 3 (Tow): 60 Horsepower - 110 Foot Pounds of Torque
Level 4 (Extreme): 100 Horsepower - 200 Foot Pounds of Torque
Level 1 (Trans Only) Only adds transmission line pressure for firmer shifts.
Level 2 (Economy): 15 Horsepower - 55 Foot Pounds of Torque
Level 3 (Tow): 60 Horsepower - 110 Foot Pounds of Torque
Level 4 (Extreme): 100 Horsepower - 200 Foot Pounds of Torque
Or you can buy a tuning software and spent a lot of time on their forums working specifically on how tunes are written to learn about it, it would be interesting to get involved on the front end actually in a software:
https://sctflash.com/Products/softwa.../advantage-iii
https://www.hptuners.com/
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First about tow/haul, all that does is run what amounts to a second transmission program. It changes shift points and a few other things, but it's not necessarily impacted by a PCM tune unless that tune was written to change it. Innovative Diesel used to write tunes that would modify the T/H parameters to create an Aggressive T/H only when the button was pressed. I doubt that a canned Edge tune did anything drastic, it probably is written to make the change about like what it is in stock form.
About the parameters that are changed by a tune... no, there's not a way to know HOW parameters are changed by each tune, because that's the proprietary part of what tuner's do. Even SCT custom tunes can be locked so that you can't just pull up a tune in the editing software and see what changes that tuner made. It's no secret WHAT in general is changed, but the how of it is unique to each tune writter.
WHAT is changed is all the engine program mapping. There are tables that map a ton of things, pedal input, oil pressure, fueling rate and timing, boost vs rpm, etc. Some people bump timing a degree because in theory that helps bump fuel economy, but too much timing increases cylinder pressure and can lift the amazing four bolt heads. One change is to debate how much boost pressure to run at a cruising speed, some people want to run a higher pressure all the time to have more instant-on power to pass, but the trade-off is you probably see less overall economy. So maybe good for a guy in medium traffic daily where a nasty turbo lag would make changing lanes harder, but not so good for a guy running 70mph unloaded down the highway usually.
There was a lot going around a few years ago that Bill Cohron at Power Hungry Performance was the guy who wrote the canned Edge tunes. He still sells custom tunes for the 6.0, so the closest you might get that what's actually in your Evo is to call him and talk about what he does re: custom tuning. Then you should probably buy something from him like his Atlas 40 FICM tune, because he's a nice guy and you shouldn't pump him for information then dump him.
Are these your options?
Or you can buy a tuning software and spent a lot of time on their forums working specifically on how tunes are written to learn about it:
https://sctflash.com/Products/softwa.../advantage-iii
https://www.hptuners.com/
About the parameters that are changed by a tune... no, there's not a way to know HOW parameters are changed by each tune, because that's the proprietary part of what tuner's do. Even SCT custom tunes can be locked so that you can't just pull up a tune in the editing software and see what changes that tuner made. It's no secret WHAT in general is changed, but the how of it is unique to each tune writter.
WHAT is changed is all the engine program mapping. There are tables that map a ton of things, pedal input, oil pressure, fueling rate and timing, boost vs rpm, etc. Some people bump timing a degree because in theory that helps bump fuel economy, but too much timing increases cylinder pressure and can lift the amazing four bolt heads. One change is to debate how much boost pressure to run at a cruising speed, some people want to run a higher pressure all the time to have more instant-on power to pass, but the trade-off is you probably see less overall economy. So maybe good for a guy in medium traffic daily where a nasty turbo lag would make changing lanes harder, but not so good for a guy running 70mph unloaded down the highway usually.
There was a lot going around a few years ago that Bill Cohron at Power Hungry Performance was the guy who wrote the canned Edge tunes. He still sells custom tunes for the 6.0, so the closest you might get that what's actually in your Evo is to call him and talk about what he does re: custom tuning. Then you should probably buy something from him like his Atlas 40 FICM tune, because he's a nice guy and you shouldn't pump him for information then dump him.
Are these your options?
Or you can buy a tuning software and spent a lot of time on their forums working specifically on how tunes are written to learn about it:
https://sctflash.com/Products/softwa.../advantage-iii
https://www.hptuners.com/
I needed to replace my turbo and was out of town when work was done. the ford tech replaced my bully dog tuner with a sct tuner and the programs in this tune even the custom ones sct made for my truck were not as good as stock bully dog tune {05 dually 14.80 mpg @73mph with a A.R.E. topper}returned st tuner and reinstalled bully dog tunes
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A lot of what people call "custom tunes" are really just canned tunes from a group of well-known tuners, there's nothing special about buying the basic form of SRL from GearHead or Looney Wild from Quick Tricks. Unless you spend a decent amount of time with the tuner and send them multiple rounds of data logs you aren't going to see any benefit to real custom tunes. Or better yet, drive to see them and do an in-person session.
It gets back to the point of there are too many variables to make blanket statements like how one tune isn't as good as another. Even something very basic like the VGT mapping, two different trucks running a increased 12psi from a tune, one guys sees a 2+mpg bump because he doesn't mash the pedal through turbo lag 30 times during his commute, and the other loses 1mpg because he drives 65mph unloaded down country highways. It's why guys buy multiple tunes from different writers and work with them to get what they want. Unless a tune is adjusted to a particular truck and how it's used, it's not a "custom" tune.
It gets back to the point of there are too many variables to make blanket statements like how one tune isn't as good as another. Even something very basic like the VGT mapping, two different trucks running a increased 12psi from a tune, one guys sees a 2+mpg bump because he doesn't mash the pedal through turbo lag 30 times during his commute, and the other loses 1mpg because he drives 65mph unloaded down country highways. It's why guys buy multiple tunes from different writers and work with them to get what they want. Unless a tune is adjusted to a particular truck and how it's used, it's not a "custom" tune.
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Tow/Haul Button
I want to know if the tow/haul button when pressed does it override the edge tune parameters when it in tow mode? Thanks for input on question about parameters that change on tuners.
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The Edge tuner pushes a PCM and TCM program into your truck. After it's loaded, pushing the T/H button does what that tune tells it to do. It will not "override" the Edge tune with a factory option, because you changed out the program in the computer.
Edge most likely wrote the canned program to mimic factory operation, it'll hold upshifts longer, downshift sooner, up the VGT% to increase engine braking, and maybe change the TC lockup. The PCM changes made by the tune won't be affected.
Edge most likely wrote the canned program to mimic factory operation, it'll hold upshifts longer, downshift sooner, up the VGT% to increase engine braking, and maybe change the TC lockup. The PCM changes made by the tune won't be affected.
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