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Old 04-23-2017, 08:52 AM
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Easy Drivetrain Swap?

I have a 64 F100 with a 235....among any other projects and interests. This truck is not what I consider a project truck. It doesn't have many miles, but has spent its life in Illinois. So the body isn't good and body supports I have even had to give attention to.
But it's a driver. The problem has been that it isn't reliable, and I live many miles from anywhere I go. 8 miles to nearest town. 15 miles to work. I can work on the reliability with continued work to the fuel system and ignition...and I have to figure out why that clutch still chatters.

But even then, 60 mph is taxing for any regular driving. I don't need it to be fast or quick. But a little more enjoyable at highway speed. And I don't need a lengthy project.

Are there pretty straight forward trans swaps or drivetrain swaps that mostly use the brackets/mounts that I currently have? I was even wondering about 300/6 combos and if they drop right in.

I have done some searching, but most want to go V8. I just want to go easy. Well, and affordable. If they are readily available parts to find.
 
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Old 04-23-2017, 08:57 AM
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Due to the way the engine is mounted, nothing "drops right in" on a 1961/64 unless you are using the original 223 I-6 (no such thing as a 235) or 292 V8
 
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:12 AM
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Ooops. 223 it is. Number not so dummy!
Thank you for the info.. I was hoping there were some items over the years that fit the bill. But if were easy.....
I guess nothing for overdrive for the 223?
 
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change the rearend gears
 
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Wolf, The odometers roll back to 0 at 100,000. The truck is 50 years old, take an easy number 10,000 miles a year times 50 years and hold your low miles as tight as you want.

Side mount conversions are available, a 302 AOD would be a good setup but is itself getting dated. You might want to start a plan before you hit the wall and have to do something now. There are Eco-boost, V-6s, turbo diesels, to choose from. Start making plans and do something 4-6-10 months from now. You are not against the wall yet.



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A T5 is the easiest "modern" transmission swap. Parts are pretty easy to find to do that.

Another option is a 3 speed overdrive. More difficult to find for a truck application but should be an easier swap overall.
 
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How many overdrive gears are in a T5?
 
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I converted to a 400/t18 but yea not seeing anything that is going to be easy. Any newer motor you might go to will required fabricating all new mounting and probably changing driveline lengths a bit.
 
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A T5 has 1 overdrive gear.
 
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Are you sure you have a 223? I think the 240/300 were also used in 1964. If that's the case you might rebuild or get a reman 240/300. Add a new clutch kit, surface the flywheel and be back in business.
 
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Are you sure you have a 223? I think the 240/300 were also used in 1964.
240/300 were introduced in 1965.

223 = Intake/exhaust manifolds located on the left (drivers) side.

240/300 = Intake/exhaust manifolds located on the right (passenger) side.
 
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Between the sticker, and ND's info above, it's a 223.
 
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I read somewhere that an s10 T5 works well with the bench seat. I'm sure there is more to it than finding one. LOL.
 
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How many overdrive gears are in a T5?

The Borg Warner T5 (now owned by Tremec) was used extensively in North American production vehicles including Ford and GM. Due to this there is a near endless combination of gears that can be installed and this means you don't need 4th to be a direct drive. You could have 2 overdrive gears if you want to. You will have to research the gear combos but I have read this in hot rod magazines in the past. Junkyards are crawling with camaros and mustangs so mix and match!!
 
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T5s have only 1 overdrive gear. There is no practical way to add a 2nd. 4th is direct drive on all of them.
 

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