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Old Mar 15, 2017 | 07:39 PM
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Hey everybody, newbie here

I am about to order a F350 short bed and I have a question. I have searched the site, but can't seem to find the answer. I tow a 5th wheel and am concerned with bed height. My tongue weight is about 2klb. Could someone tell me the height of the top rail unweighted (as measured from the ground to the rail at the back wheel) and weighted. Also, is there still a back to nose rake when weighted. I am trying to find out how much the 350 will squat when loaded.

I am moving from a GMC 3500 and believe that I will need to change the back axle block. I am trying to get a feeling on how much I am going to have to slim the block down to be able to get my 5th to ride level.

Any other info on this topic would be appreciated.

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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 08:07 AM
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I cant tell you about the F350, but I have a 2017 F250 CCSB with load lifter 5000 airbags installed. The Pin weight of my 5th wheel is 2070lbs empty and my hitch weighs 180lbs. with nothing else in the bed my truck sits level front to rear with only 5 PSI in the bags. I'm sure that I didn't need the Airbags now, but rather have them and not need them than the other way around. I don't think you will have a squatting issue with the F350. I have about 8 inches of clearance between the bed rails and the cap. The axles on my trailer are flipped to where they are spring over axle to raise the 5th wheel to ride level.


 
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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 08:23 AM
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I have a F350 4x4 2017 LB. I am having the same problem. I have torsion axels on my 5ver. has anyone gotten a lift kit?
I have already put 250 blocks on the rear it lowered about 1.5 inches. Don't know what else to do to the truck. Any suggestions?
 
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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 09:23 AM
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Check out the 2017 SD Body Builders Layout Book.

I suspect the dimensional detail is based on the base (XL) models with standard wheels and tires. Options (i.e., 20" wheels and tires) and normal production tolerances may affect some dimensional values (i.e., height data), but this should be a pretty good place to start.

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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 09:30 AM
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I can not answer your question directly but I suggest that a set of good air bags set up correctly will overcome any squat and enable you to fine tune ride height. All this for a couple hundred dollars.
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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 12:31 PM
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2000LB pin wieght isn't bad really. I doubt you will see much squat even without air bags, etc.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2017 | 10:04 PM
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I have a 3000 pound camper on my F-350 CCLB, and the rear end dropped roughly 4" under that load. Unloaded I measured 45" to the wheel wells; loaded was 41".
 
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Old Mar 17, 2017 | 09:56 AM
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Thanks for the info Rustofer, just the info I am looking for. Is your truck a 4x4?

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Yes, 6.2, 4x4.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2017 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rustofer
I have a 3000 pound camper on my F-350 CCLB, and the rear end dropped roughly 4" under that load. Unloaded I measured 45" to the wheel wells; loaded was 41".
I am guessing SRW? I will be loading mine soon, 3400lb Lance slide in. Onto my 17 DRW 350. Hoping to see a big improvement over my 01 SRW 350.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2017 | 07:19 AM
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I am guessing SRW? I will be loading mine soon, 3400lb Lance slide in. Onto my 17 DRW 350. Hoping to see a big improvement over my 01 SRW 350.
My '17 F450 has the same rear springs that you have. My 2500# pin caused 2 5/8" squat. I'm on the 2nd stage of my spring pack at that point, which has a rate of 2400#/inch (1200 each side). With 900# more weight, I'd expect you to squat only 3/8" more, totaling 3" squat.

BTW, if we hit our stage 3 springs, we have a crazy 4304#/inch spring rate. Not much more squatting at that point!
 
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Old Mar 18, 2017 | 07:50 AM
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Mike - with your 3 inch squat. Is your Ford pretty level or does it still have a front to back rake?

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Old Mar 18, 2017 | 12:28 PM
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My '17 F450 has the same rear springs that you have. My 2500# pin caused 2 5/8" squat. I'm on the 2nd stage of my spring pack at that point, which has a rate of 2400#/inch (1200 each side). With 900# more weight, I'd expect you to squat only 3/8" more, totaling 3" squat.

BTW, if we hit our stage 3 springs, we have a crazy 4304#/inch spring rate. Not much more squatting at that point!
Sounds like the air bags are a thing of the past

Now the next item will be a receiver extension that works with the OEM 3" one and extends about 2'. The car hauler I tow has minimal toung weight. It has a tandem axle and I can tie down the load where I want it. So in the past, I just roll the load to where it almost floats in the pintle hitch.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2017 | 08:13 PM
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I am guessing SRW? I will be loading mine soon, 3400lb Lance slide in. Onto my 17 DRW 350. Hoping to see a big improvement over my 01 SRW 350.
Yes, SRW. I installed lower Torklift stable-loads, and reduced the squat by an inch.
 
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34 ft Cedar Creek, no mods on 5th wheel or truck, 6 in of clearance at the bed and tailgate rails.

5th wheel does have 16" wheel and taller tire option OEM.
 
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