Electric power steering pump
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Electric power steering pump
My buddy bought a 2011 F150 with a 5.0 a couple a months ago. Has about 160k on it.
He is have issues with the power steering. Apparently the sensors are not reading And ford want $1600 for the part. I guess it is also some mid-year ******* too.
Anyone have any input on this?
He is have issues with the power steering. Apparently the sensors are not reading And ford want $1600 for the part. I guess it is also some mid-year ******* too.
Anyone have any input on this?
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Brad you're correct this is a common issue with these trucks. And primarily with the 2011MY. But it's not because of some midyear myth. It's primarily because 2011 was the first year for the EPAS system. Not to mention a whole bunch of other things as well. And just as the dealer told your friend and other have stated here, the entire steering rack will need replaced. Plus he'll need a front end alignment as well once the rack has been replaced. Also if it were my truck (and fwiw I do have a 2011 myself) I would bite the bullet and go with a new O.E. unit rather then a used or aftermarket replacement rack.
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so hows it different? I have the 6.2, and it has the hydraulic set up.............
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The gear ratio (from memory) is 17.x vs 20.x.
It works out to about a half turn from lock to lock, with the tow ratio being easier but slower.
It works out to about a half turn from lock to lock, with the tow ratio being easier but slower.
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I count my lucky stars that they did it the old fashion way on the 6.2, one less thing to worry about.
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AlaskanEx, the rotating mass of the 6.2 is a great fit for a hydraulic pump. The drag of the pump doesn't knock the HP down much on a large V8.
On my 3.5 it would be just too much HP loss. Even at idle it would affect the fuel economy.
I'm okay with the electric steering but I do prefer an engine driven pump and gear.
On my 3.5 it would be just too much HP loss. Even at idle it would affect the fuel economy.
I'm okay with the electric steering but I do prefer an engine driven pump and gear.
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AlaskanEx, the rotating mass of the 6.2 is a great fit for a hydraulic pump. The drag of the pump doesn't knock the HP down much on a large V8.
On my 3.5 it would be just too much HP loss. Even at idle it would affect the fuel economy.
I'm okay with the electric steering but I do prefer an engine driven pump and gear.
On my 3.5 it would be just too much HP loss. Even at idle it would affect the fuel economy.
I'm okay with the electric steering but I do prefer an engine driven pump and gear.
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Well, pumps and boxes do leak and fail as well. A good chunk of my friends have older, higher mileage hydraulic systems and everyone of them has had to be repaired. It's also getting harder to find decent prices for the older systems ( I realize you have a newer system).
I don't really know where to look to find failure numbers for the epas. Regardless, if the cubic inches weren't so small and the hydraulic forces so large, I probably would have paid extra for a hydraulic system. Its got to be cheaper to slap in a new box or pump or line than replacing the epas rack, regardless of failure rate.
I don't really know where to look to find failure numbers for the epas. Regardless, if the cubic inches weren't so small and the hydraulic forces so large, I probably would have paid extra for a hydraulic system. Its got to be cheaper to slap in a new box or pump or line than replacing the epas rack, regardless of failure rate.
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Well, pumps and boxes do leak and fail as well. A good chunk of my friends have older, higher mileage hydraulic systems and everyone of them has had to be repaired. It's also getting harder to find decent prices for the older systems ( I realize you have a newer system).
I don't really know where to look to find failure numbers for the epas. Regardless, if the cubic inches weren't so small and the hydraulic forces so large, I probably would have paid extra for a hydraulic system. Its got to be cheaper to slap in a new box or pump or line than replacing the epas rack, regardless of failure rate.
I don't really know where to look to find failure numbers for the epas. Regardless, if the cubic inches weren't so small and the hydraulic forces so large, I probably would have paid extra for a hydraulic system. Its got to be cheaper to slap in a new box or pump or line than replacing the epas rack, regardless of failure rate.
I've just read here and on other F-150 forums about a stunning amount of rack failures on a 11-14 trucks
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This is an interesting point. All in all, replacing an EPAS rack should be easier than a hydraulic one since you don't have to deal with any fluid or lines. Thanks to Forscan programming the new rack is pretty easy also. This is the way many auto repairs are going now days. In reality I like the idea of the EPAS system vs. the hydraulic one, but I haven't had to fork over $1k+ for a new one yet.