E4OD Upgrades?
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I have completely missed the acquisition of Big Blue so I see there is another thread I need to go get caught up on. It was only started a week ago but I see you are already to 17 pages... Why am I not surprised!
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This is literally a case of if-you-snooze-you-lose. I didn't and now I have a gem. However, that gem runs 2500 RPM on the highway, so is begging for a ZF5. I happen to have one that was to go in Dad's truck, but if I put it in Big Blue I need to find a tranny for Dad's. And, after I'd driven the ZF5 a bit, albeit not in its best guise, I'd come to the conclusion it didn't really fit with the "sophisticated feel" I was hoping for on Dad's. So, I'm researching E4OD's.
As for the length of the thread - guilty as charged. But, I did get a bit done in those pages.
As for the length of the thread - guilty as charged. But, I did get a bit done in those pages.
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Ok, I'm all caught up! And subscribed to Big Blue also. Now I see what you're doing. Some might think you're crazy given all the work you put into getting that ZF to work in Dad's truck, but I understand the mind of a perfectionist.
I admit it is all for the better to me that you're going to be researching the E4OD to the Nth degree in only the way Gary can. This will help me with my own swap someday and at the very least I can verify the research I did to date and refresh my memory on it all. I already ran twenty miles of wiring so I'm hoping I don't discover I did any of that wrong. Maybe I will only read your progress with my eyes half open... just in case.
I admit it is all for the better to me that you're going to be researching the E4OD to the Nth degree in only the way Gary can. This will help me with my own swap someday and at the very least I can verify the research I did to date and refresh my memory on it all. I already ran twenty miles of wiring so I'm hoping I don't discover I did any of that wrong. Maybe I will only read your progress with my eyes half open... just in case.
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Luke - If the ZF shifted like a sports car's transmission, say the one in the Miata I used to own, I'd be happy with it in Dad's truck. But, it shifts like a truck transmission - imagine that. So I think it is a better match in Big Blue behind the 460, which will fix two problems. First, it lets the engine RPM drop from 2500 to 1900 at 65 MPH. Second, it means I don't need to rebuild the T19 that's in Big Blue as its synchro's aren't in good shape.
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Very nice posts you contributed Luke! This was the info I was looking for. Not so much the harder shafts, but which internals need to be used.
Sounds like you need to be on the hunt for a tranny Gary. Then we can see what parts need to be acquired here locally or on the web.
As far as which tranny, If I am reading the posts right so far I think you have to have an E4OD and not a 4R100.
Sounds like you need to be on the hunt for a tranny Gary. Then we can see what parts need to be acquired here locally or on the web.
As far as which tranny, If I am reading the posts right so far I think you have to have an E4OD and not a 4R100.
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What would the difference be? I am sure it has a different solenoid pack, but those are interchangeable.
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Here is a thread where Punisher valve bodies are discussed as well as some contact info:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...alve-body.html
This guy seems to have the best build on valve bodies for the E4OD. I have never heard anything bad about them.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...alve-body.html
This guy seems to have the best build on valve bodies for the E4OD. I have never heard anything bad about them.
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Talked to Brian's Truck Stop, and here's what I learned:
- $5000 for their E4OD, inc the triple-disc torque converter
- If no core they'll add $500 to $600 for one
- Their transmissions are all built the same, save for the torque converter, and are 750 HP capable
- Brian asks questions about the engine and use of the truck and tunes the valve body for that
- All internal parts are new
- The transmissions are thoroughly cleaned and then painted silver, so look brand new
- They use PCS brand controllers, although that price doesn't include one
- They had a controller that did the E4OD, the TCM 2000, but they've discontinued it
- Their new controller is the TCM-2800 and it doesn't yet support the E4OD, although the calibrations and harnesses are being worked on now and should be available as of about April 1st
- Cost with harness is about $1000
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As a point of reference the BTS price is pretty close to what I had priced out a few years ago at Transmission Exchange in Portland for their "Towmatrix" E4OD build, which is just their fancy name for the same upgrades.
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Thanks for that, Luke. I'm still looking at the BTS tranny can handle twice the power the engine can make. Perhaps there's a solid unit capable of more like 400 to 500 HP for less.