Block Heater Cord Tripping all GFI Outlets
#16
I am experienced licensed electrician in both industrial and residential applications. I have been an electrician for over 20 years. This sounds like someone trying to explain something without enough knowledge. As said above, they measure the line current going to and from the hot/neutral. If the receptacle is not seeing the same load on both sides of the circuit, it assumes a problem and trips. The history of them not playing well together comes down to wet plugs, faulty wiring, faulty components, undersized GFCI. If all the equipment is in good shape, the resistive load of the heating element will not trip the GFCI.
Steve
#17
An electrician gave me his theory which could be bogus, the heating element draws enough current in a loop that it creates a small Magnetic induced electrical charge to the truck.... Just enough to play havoc with a GFCIs outlet?
Does that sound like a possible explanation or just writing something off he couldn't explain?
Does that sound like a possible explanation or just writing something off he couldn't explain?
As noted, the most likely explanation is that some current is escaping from the system and going elsewhere (not returning back to the outlet). Once the electricity leaves the wiring, it will want to return 'home' which is probably the closest electrical transformer and anybody in the path (however the current decides to get there (which is not always a straight path)) is at risk. The GFCI is tripping as it senses the issue and is doing its job of preventing somebody from getting a shock.
Probably a good idea to get a setup that does not trip the GFCI as, if the electrical leak is in the truck somewhere, aside from a possible shock hazard, it might lead to corrosion depending on where the leak is occurring. Search on stray current electrolysis for more details.
For reference, one of my block heaters continually tripped the GFCI but would work on a standard outlet. The cord and element were clearly recently replaced by the PO when I bought the truck. A new heater element cured the GFCI's tripping.
#18
I am experienced licensed electrician in both industrial and residential applications. I have been an electrician for over 20 years. This sounds like someone trying to explain something without enough knowledge. As said above, they measure the line current going to and from the hot/neutral. If the receptacle is not seeing the same load on both sides of the circuit, it assumes a problem and trips. The history of them not playing well together comes down to wet plugs, faulty wiring, faulty components, undersized GFCI. If all the equipment is in good shape, the resistive load of the heating element will not trip the GFCI.
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#21
Per the code, you can load a circuit up 80%, 80% of a 15A circuit is 12A, which has more than enough capacity to power the less than 8.5A these block heater pull......
#22
I agree it's always nice to have a 20 amp circuit but the block heater only uses about 8, so even sizing the circuit at 125% (which isn't even required) a 15 amp circuit would suffice if it were not loaded down with other things.
Some argument could be made that a dedicated 15 amp circuit would be better as it would protect the 13 and 15 amp extension cords that most people use.
#23
There are some code requirements that do require that circuit in certain circumstances. There are circuits recommended above code requirements based on experience of normal usage.
#24
I had the same issue, block heater tripped my GFCI, but only when things were wet (think rain or freezing rain then temps fall well below freezing)
Would not kick out normal 15 AMP breaker, just the GFCI.
Found out my cord was no good, was pinched sort of between the fender well and frame, bare wire.
I put a new cord on, no issues with 15 AMP GFCI kicking out again.
Replace cord before cord causes replacement of truck.....
Would not kick out normal 15 AMP breaker, just the GFCI.
Found out my cord was no good, was pinched sort of between the fender well and frame, bare wire.
I put a new cord on, no issues with 15 AMP GFCI kicking out again.
Replace cord before cord causes replacement of truck.....
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Originally Posted by blckjck
You are correct on the loading of a circuit. I recommend 20A circuits for garage outlets even if not required by code because of the typical loads put on them. For specific code requirements, I would need to know more about the whole setting. Age when built, detached or attached garage, etc. For example, frequently detached garages have a single circuit run to them. People add in drill chargers, garage door openers, exterior and interior lighting, etc.
There are some code requirements that do require that circuit in certain circumstances. There are circuits recommended above code requirements based on experience of normal usage.
There are some code requirements that do require that circuit in certain circumstances. There are circuits recommended above code requirements based on experience of normal usage.
The way your post read, he would have to have a 20A circuit and GFCI installed for his block heater.
I was trying to save the OP some worry and potential spending of unnecessary funds to fix a non-issue.
#27
Hey sometimes the info online is worth what you pay for it! I'm to the electrician. He has it right, the GFI senses an imbalance in the Hot and neural lines. I am not sure how well they work without grounds. Your issue is most likely leakage current. My background is in electronics. The block heater is a restive device. Longer power cords, or small gauge wire will result in less power delivered to the heater and lower power consumption. The I^2R losses in the cable will result is lower voltage at the heater. OK
Something is wet, contaminated, or the insulation failing. It's not the cord or and its likely not the GFI. You can likely measure it with your ohm meter.
Something is wet, contaminated, or the insulation failing. It's not the cord or and its likely not the GFI. You can likely measure it with your ohm meter.
#28
Hey sometimes the info online is worth what you pay for it! I'm to the electrician. He has it right, the GFI senses an imbalance in the Hot and neural lines. I am not sure how well they work without grounds. Your issue is most likely leakage current. My background is in electronics. The block heater is a restive device. Longer power cords, or small gauge wire will result in less power delivered to the heater and lower power consumption. The I^2R losses in the cable will result is lower voltage at the heater. OK
Something is wet, contaminated, or the insulation failing. It's not the cord or and its likely not the GFI. You can likely measure it with your ohm meter.
Something is wet, contaminated, or the insulation failing. It's not the cord or and its likely not the GFI. You can likely measure it with your ohm meter.
#29
While I did not state my advice on a larger circuit was based on usage patterns over what code requires, it does not change my advice.
For the same reason that a 14g extension cord is rated at 15a and could carry the load, but many, including myself, recommend a 12g. It is for safety and long term use.