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Old Oct 30, 2016 | 11:23 PM
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Engine brake question.

Engine brake question, does this act like a Jake brake?
how do I use it, trying to understand the Manuel states turn it on/off with button at/near the radio, or just push the button that looks like a exhaust within circle. Thanks.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 04:15 AM
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Yes the Owners Manuel is confusing at times..... "My Understanding" is that it just holds back the exhaust gas VIA a flapper in the exhaust pipe, rather than the "Jake Brake" type of braking. In "Tow/Haul" mode, the Exhaust brake is activated automatically. Yesterday for the first time I activated the Dash Mounted brake by pushing the button. Guessing it's an option to be used independent of the Tow/Haul mode. I have not got this far in the Owner's Manual yet. Take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 04:27 AM
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It's not a Jake brake. It's also not technically an exhaust brake, it utilizes the vanes in the VGT turbo to create backpressure (engine braking). I would think it also adjusts the transmission to downshift sooner, similar to tow/haul. The manual states you can activate by pressing the button once, or press it twice and release the throttle to set the speed you wish to maintain.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by felix4
It's not a Jake brake. It's also not technically an exhaust brake, it utilizes the vanes in the VGT turbo to create backpressure (engine braking). I would think it also adjusts the transmission to downshift sooner, similar to tow/haul. The manual states you can activate by pressing the button once, or press it twice and release the throttle to set the speed you wish to maintain.
Correct as you state, mostly. Technically it does not actually use back pressure to retard the engine. The vanes, as you said, are changed to create more boost at lower rpms of the turbo and that raises the compression in the engine without adding fuel.:

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This was discussed ad infinitum in earlier threads and I learned quite a bit from some who actually know. First off, you cannot compare the performance of the 17 with the 16. Design has changed. Most is in the operating controls but some is with a larger turbo and better configuration. A true engine brake (Jake Brake) increases the compression by changing the valve timing to create an air compressor which in turn retards the vehicle by producing compressed air which is released through the exhaust system. Hence the noise. In the PSD system the variable vane turbo charger also changes the compression in the engine by changing the position of the non rotating vanes to create more boost without utilizing the escaping exhaust from combustion. More air pressure into the block means more compressed air and thus greater compression and once again, engine provided retardation.

There are actually 3 settings: on, off and auto. Auto comes on with tow/haul mode, on/off is controlled by the dash switch. Since I do not have one I may be a little off in this interpretation but I believe you will find it mostly correct.
Yes I understand the shift points are changed in order to increase the RPM to the top of range in order to compress more air.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 07:30 AM
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When towing in the Sierras I first set the CC at 60 mph and then hit the TH button and engine brake button. This keeps the truck within 4 mph wether climbing or descending. Mammoth to Bishop I use the brakes once and that's for a curve where 60 mph doesn't feel comfy.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 08:22 AM
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When towing in the Sierras I first set the CC at 60 mph and then hit the TH button and engine brake button. This keeps the truck within 4 mph wether climbing or descending. Mammoth to Bishop I use the brakes once and that's for a curve where 60 mph doesn't feel comfy.
Were you towing??
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 08:41 AM
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Exhaust brake does *not* activate automatically with Tow/Haul. You have full on, and then Auto mode, and then off.

Tow/Haul will downshift the engine as you apply the foot brake to add engine braking and help slow the vehicle down. However, the exhaust brake must be switched on separately if you want that benefit.

The exhaust brake is massively more helpful in slowing the vehicle down compared to downshifting alone.

Activating full exhaust brake on basically does nothing without Tow/Haul or Cruise Control engaged.

However, Auto mode actually works pretty well. Without even having Tow/Haul or Cruise engaged, simply take your foot off the accelerator at the top of a hill. The truck "remembers" your speed and lets the vehicle speed up maybe 3-4mph...then it will automatically downshift to give the exhaust brake the necessary RPMs to work. The truck will slow down, and if you don't touch the accelerator, it will continue to slow beyond your initial speed.

Auto mode is designed to be more smooth especially as you hit the accelerator again.

In reality, the best way to use the exhaust brake is to shift the truck into "M" mode, activate the Full exhaust brake, and use the +/- buttons on the shifter to drop down a gear or two or three which will provide all the braking you need without touching the brakes.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by troverman

In reality, the best way to use the exhaust brake is to shift the truck into "M" mode, activate the Full exhaust brake, and use the +/- buttons on the shifter to drop down a gear or two or three which will provide all the braking you need without touching the brakes.
that’s nice the EB can be used in manual mode. on my GMC the exhaust brake only works in Drive. pretty lame.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by troverman

In reality, the best way to use the exhaust brake is to shift the truck into "M" mode, activate the Full exhaust brake, and use the +/- buttons on the shifter to drop down a gear or two or three which will provide all the braking you need without touching the brakes.
Although moving the shift lever, at least on the '15 I used last, is almost difficult to be careful to only move to manual, especially on bumpy roads. The MKC with the pushbuttons on the dash is very easy to change the operation into sport mode which in turn will allow the transmission to stay in the selected gear with the flappy paddles on the steering wheel, which are also much easier to use than the small slide on the shift lever. Ford take note, the manual mode could be easier to operate!

It is interesting that even though there is no engine braking per say on the MKC the sport mode with cruise control on will automatically utilize lower transmission gears to reduce speed while in cruise control on a downgrade.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 12:19 PM
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Is there anything that displays the EB is active when in auto mode? So you know it is being used as opposed to the truck downshifting automatically or both going at the same time?
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gotroxs
Is there anything that displays the EB is active when in auto mode? So you know it is being used as opposed to the truck downshifting automatically or both going at the same time?
No. You just get the exhaust brake symbol with the "A" when the button is engaged. The boost gauge will fluctuate a tad, but that's about it.

It doesn't have an option like the Cummins where it shows you how much braking HP is being applied.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasty1
Were you towing??
Second word in the first sentence.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gotroxs
Is there anything that displays the EB is active when in auto mode? So you know it is being used as opposed to the truck downshifting automatically or both going at the same time?
Although there is no icon or info on the screen stating the EB is actively operating, the turbo boost gauge will show pretty heavy boost (25-60% from my experience) while your foot is completely off the throttle, so you know its working. You can also clearly hear a difference in engine tone.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2016 | 05:49 PM
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Great info in this thread - thanks guys!!
 
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Old Nov 1, 2016 | 06:44 AM
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I used it while towing my 16k fifth, works great very smooth but really helps your stopping power, for when that signal changes at the last minute and you have to slow the freight train really quick........Much better than my 2011 f250 that just downshifted
 
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