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Old Sep 29, 2016 | 09:04 PM
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Problems with V10

Been trying to resurrect at 97 E350 V10 that sat for a couple of years. When I got it, it would start but would not run above idle. Cleaned the gas line and tank and replace the fuel pump and got it running. COPs had been changed, but not the plugs. Changed the plugs (and the PCV valve since I was in there) and it seemed to run pretty well but had an intermittent stumble at idle - it sometimes (but not always) got worse under a load. It was also throwing a P0401 code. So I changed the EGR valve and it idled great, but seemed to wander in RPM a bit on start up. Long story short, it tricked me into a test drive and quit as I was pulling into traffic. I was able to get it started and back the curb, but it doesn't want to run. The only other thing I did was clean the MAF sensor. What could I have done that would cause things to get far worse?
 
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Old Sep 30, 2016 | 11:13 AM
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I see that you replaced the pump, but did you actually check the fuel pressure? Is there a fuel pump driver module on that year?
 
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Old Sep 30, 2016 | 05:26 PM
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You replace or at least clean the IAC valve?(idle air control) The P0401 can sometimes be a DPFE sensor issue also.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2016 | 02:56 PM
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To answer both of the above: I did not check the fuel pressure and I did not clean or replace the IAC. After replacing the fuel pump and filter and cleaning the tank, the van ran, but it missed (big time) under a load. I then replaced the plugs (pretty sure they were original with 144K), and it ran pretty well, but when warm had a stumble at idle and SOMETIMES when under a load (seemed like more than a miss). So I replaced the EGR valve. It fired right up and idled fine. Then when I tried to drive it, it immediately quit. I was able to restart it, but had to do that three times just to get it to the curb. Will clean the IAC today and maybe replace the DPFE. Thanks!
 
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Old Oct 2, 2016 | 07:51 AM
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It is a new fuel filter, right?
 
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Old Oct 3, 2016 | 05:08 PM
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New Fuel Filter. One thing that crossed my mind is that something I did in replacing the EGR valve caused a bigger problem. The only thing I can think of that might be related is I cleaned the MAF sensor. I am going to pull it out tonight and see if I somehow damaged it. I also wonder if it must be aligned to the airflow....
 
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Old Oct 3, 2016 | 08:30 PM
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Maf is directional. It should be marked on the body.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2016 | 11:41 AM
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Thanks for the info on the MAF. I did not align it when I reinstalled it, so that very likely could be the problem. Will check it out today.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2016 | 02:39 PM
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MAF was in sideways. Still initially ran poorly, but cleared up. It was throwing a P0102 code (low MAF input) but seemed to idle fine after about 15 sec. I am going to clear the code and see if it comes back. The EGR code is gone!
 
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Old Nov 15, 2016 | 07:41 PM
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The latest on my E350 V10 adventure

Finally threw in the towel and took the van into a shop here in town. The big problem was I got sloppy and didn't properly re-connect the intake tube to the throttle body when I fixed the MAF sensor. Solved many of the problems. It was still missing and the tech felt that the #2 COP needed to be replaced. Ran better and is pretty much drivable, but it misses bigtime at idle which really annoys me. Now throwing a P0310 code, so I am going to change the COP too. (All of the COPs were replaced by the PO about a year ago - turns out that getting good ones is important.)

Two new issues: Yesterday when I was headed uphill on our local cross bay bridge, it started missing like an entire bank was not firing. It cleared up after about 10 sec. What is upstream of the COPs that could cause that? Also, the trans does not seem to want to downshift properly. When accelerating after slowing, it bucks like it is wondering where the gear is. I doubt is has ever been serviced (144,000 mi), but am nervous about a flush and new filter. Any thoughts?

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Catalytic converter(s)

research on this forum and check yours.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2016 | 11:04 AM
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Hmmm. I had discounted problems with the catalytic converters because the van seems to have good power. Will see what the forum says. Thanks!
 
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Old Nov 16, 2016 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dgilling
Finally threw in the towel and took the van into a shop here in town. The big problem was I got sloppy and didn't properly re-connect the intake tube to the throttle body when I fixed the MAF sensor. Solved many of the problems. It was still missing and the tech felt that the #2 COP needed to be replaced. Ran better and is pretty much drivable, but it misses bigtime at idle which really annoys me. Now throwing a P0310 code, so I am going to change the COP too. (All of the COPs were replaced by the PO about a year ago - turns out that getting good ones is important.)

Two new issues: Yesterday when I was headed uphill on our local cross bay bridge, it started missing like an entire bank was not firing. It cleared up after about 10 sec. What is upstream of the COPs that could cause that? Also, the trans does not seem to want to downshift properly. When accelerating after slowing, it bucks like it is wondering where the gear is. I doubt is has ever been serviced (144,000 mi), but am nervous about a flush and new filter. Any thoughts?

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Check fuel pressure.
Has nothing to do with the transmission, but many people mistake "not running right" for a different issue. And "sounds like a whole bank was missing" could mean fuel pressure issues. A fuel pump just starting to go bad often shows signs like this; runs great until you shut it off, then won't start. Or starts & runs fine until you goose it then it bogs and misses.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2017 | 11:06 AM
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Seems to be runnng fine!

Just thought I would close the loop on this thread. ALL of the lingering problems were the result of defective COPs. As I mentioned, the PO bought and installed new ones, but they were evidently junk. New COPs fixed everything, including what seemed to be a transmission issue. Nearly 150kmi on it now. Hope it lasts for another 50k. The van is a beast!
 
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Old Jun 5, 2017 | 05:49 PM
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You are not the only one to have problems with aftermarket COPs over the years. All I will use is Motorcraft COPs, under $50 each from rock auto.
 
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