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Old Sep 26, 2016 | 01:25 AM
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Spark/ignition problems

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I have a 1986 f150, inline 6 with a TFI IV ignition. I have replaced the coil, entire distributer, and a new ignition/key combo. I had spark, fired it up (disconected the spout), set the timing, shut her down. Pluged the spout back in, fired right up and ran great!! Turned the key off and the truck didn't even try to shut down. Disconected the battery, truck died, now I am back to no spark at all. Any suggestions would be great!!
 
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Old Sep 26, 2016 | 08:19 AM
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I think something is amiss in your ignition/key combo. Or maybe the starter solenoid. You need to find the source of voltage to the module when the key is in the 'off' position.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2016 | 01:49 PM
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The starter solenoid seems to be working OK. But I also seem to have 12 V across both wires on my coil after I shut the key off. I put a brand-new ignition switch and it but have the same problem.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2016 | 02:23 PM
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Is the module the piece mounted to the distributer, (ICM) or is it the "computer " under the dash board (PCM)? I know VERY little about the electronic ignitions.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2016 | 09:18 AM
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You say the ignition coil has 12volts across both wires. Not sure what that means, but if your getting 12volts at the coil then something is wonky (thanks capt. obvious!).

When engine is running, coil voltage goes through a ballast resistor or resistor wire which drops voltage to about 8 volts. During Start, the Ignition switch will supply full voltage to the coil bypassing the resistor to help with cold starts. (FYI: On older trucks this function is done by the starter relay/solenoid I terminal.)

Even with the newer electronics, the ignition coil supply circuit is still done this way with the resistor. The other coil wire (Neg or -) heads to the ignition box and pulls to ground similar to a points setup but with a transistor and trigger signals and spout and TFI stuff.

Focus on the coil voltage instead of the electronics! Why is there 12 volts there?
 

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Originally Posted by ZarK-eh

When engine is running, coil voltage goes through a ballast resistor or resistor wire which drops voltage to about 8 volts. During Start, the Ignition switch will supply full voltage to the coil bypassing the resistor to help with cold starts. (FYI: On older trucks this function is done by the starter relay/solenoid I terminal.)

Even with the newer electronics, the ignition coil supply circuit is still done this way ...
ZarK: Ah, I have been running a tfi coil for a few years on full 12v. Before I installed it, I searched and searched the forums to find out whether to install a resistor. Nowhere could I find that the newer trucks dropped the coil voltage after start.

I would find a truck from your year at the J/Y and trace the wires, opening the tape harness with a razor knife, or do some research about the wiring. Also, rather than trying to trace some of the wires on your truck, it might be easier to run new, and then enclose them in the inexpensive plastic harness with the other wires, making it all look clean and oem. Good luck.
 
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