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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:28 PM
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Somethin's fishy(front spring)

What is the deal here?

Good one, passenger side








Bad One? what is going on here?


 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:39 PM
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Hey Charlie, not sure I see the difference other than:
  1. Spring is a little off center (at the bottom) in the 2nd pic
  2. In the first pic, what goes on the bolt below the spring on the axle - steering stabilizer?
  3. Are the rubber pucks under the springs some sort of level kit?
  4. Honestly, this is the first time I've seen a close up pic of the 2wd front end; kinda cool.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:54 PM
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Should it be centered? Here's a couple more pics...would be easier with a lift!




 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 02:28 PM
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Speaking of fishy stuff, why do I have 3 radiator looking thingys in the front? I thought I had a tranny cooler and a radiator, but the cooler is in front of another finny radiator looking device almost as big as the "real" radiator, and then back, a few inches away, is the "real" radiator with the coolant in it.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 02:44 PM
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Your V 10 should have an A/C condenser, a transmission cooler, and a radiator looking from front to back.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 03:20 PM
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D'oh!

A/C condenser.. tankoobellymuch!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlyG
What is the deal here?



Bad One? what is going on here?



somebody installed a "leveling kit" which consists of those round spacers under the spring.

at factory ride height the coil spring almost touches the frame, when you install those "pucks" or "leveling kit spacers" the spring will sometimes now rub on the frame.

to "fix" the spring rub problem I have seen people cut off the centering know of the puck to allow the spring to sit off to one side enough to clear the frame.

this is what those pucks look like on both sides, the bottom has a cavity that the stock spring perch fits into and the top has a new centering ****.

you may need to remove your wheel to see clearly but if you loo into the center of the spring you can see a large nut that bolts the spring on. check to see if the puck has this centering ****.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 03:36 PM
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that said, if the nut and capture plate is on and tight then the spring really can't go anywhere and is not the that big of a deal.

the top of the spring should also have a tab that holds the spring from coming out of the spring bucket when you put the vehicle on a hoist.


the more pressing issue is likely going to be your ball joints and alignment.

with those spacers installed your ball joints are operating at their max travel and tend to wear out quicker.

getting the alignment dialed in can also be problematic.

are your front tires wearing evenly ?
does the vehicle wander or act twitchy on a flat and level highway ?

I'd check the conditions of the balljoint as well.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 03:59 PM
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I'd just as soon remove them. I'm not much for how front and rear ends actually work, so it's best for me to leave 'em stock, or have someone else figure it out! I just put on a better set of tires and was gonna get an alignment. I think I want to get this scoped out. I noticed that the spring has chalk marks on it, and in my limited experience, that may mean it is from a salvage yard? Here's the rear spring block, which I think is stock...


 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:26 PM
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If they came from a junkyard, that's a good thing. That means someone swapped out the soft, weak rear springs for a set from a SD pickup. There's a thread in here with a bunch of ride height measurements from different trucks. You should be able to tell if yours is stock or not by measuring it as others did.

You may be able to do something similar on the front. Maybe a set of F-350 coils from a powerstroke truck would be the equivalent. I know I swapped front and rear springs out of mine when I got it and it improved the ride and handling 100%. I know if it were my truck, I'd get those pucks out of there and start researching what springs I could use instead. You're always better off going with a full spring replacement than with any other kind of block, spacer, or helper.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:34 PM
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The avatar pic is with stock tires. I swear I didn't think it was lifted... The coil springs do look longer than 5.5 if that is what the stock ones measure.

I listed my measurements(F 22.25 R 22.00) in that thread as stock. Now I'll have to come clean!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:35 PM
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The RWD excursion does not use a rear block and what you are calling a block is actually just the spring perch which is welded onto the axle from the factory.

yes junk yards use a grease pencil to mark stuff but then again so does the Ford factory.

could just be the factory mark indicating that some assembly line procedure was completed, the clue to that is the marking has a similar aging as the spring. a recently installed junk yard part will normally have a bright new marking.

However, that said. Your parking brake cable routing looks incorrect. almost certain it should NOT be on the bottom of the spring. so either I am wrong, somebody installed it incorrectly when they serviced your parking brake , or the spring did come from a junk yard at some point and the cable was routed incorrectly when the spring was installed.

A side view pic of the spring and top plate may revel more clues.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by andym
If they came from a junkyard, that's a good thing. That means someone swapped out the soft, weak rear springs for a set from a SD pickup. There's a thread in here with a bunch of ride height measurements from different trucks. You should be able to tell if yours is stock or not by measuring it as others did.

You may be able to do something similar on the front. Maybe a set of F-350 coils from a powerstroke truck would be the equivalent. I know I swapped front and rear springs out of mine when I got it and it improved the ride and handling 100%. I know if it were my truck, I'd get those pucks out of there and start researching what springs I could use instead. You're always better off going with a full spring replacement than with any other kind of block, spacer, or helper.

SD truck rear leaf springs use a lower spring rate then the Excursion so in fact they are softer and "weaker" then the excursion.

In the front it doesn't matter if he used springs or lift pucks, the geometry is still incorrect. the best or at least most practical way to lift a ford twin beam correctly is to install new brackets that lowers the beam and radius arm mounting location.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:43 PM
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That explains why it looks like it sags in the back.... I guess.

Speaking of guessing. I need a spring compressor to remove those spacers/blocks in the front, yes?
Ima go look at the spring specs in the tech folder and see if I can shed any light on this mystery.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlyG
The avatar pic is with stock tires. I swear I didn't think it was lifted... The coil springs do look longer than 5.5 if that is what the stock ones measure.

I listed my measurements(F 22.25 R 22.00) in that thread as stock. Now I'll have to come clean!
I just edited my post to reflect the lift pucks

but if you compare your front measurements to Scampers you can see the 2" difference the pucks are creating.
 
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