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Old May 20, 2016 | 07:08 PM
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Wonder how it can do all that with just a module behind the steering wheel itself?
 
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Old May 20, 2016 | 07:27 PM
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Not sure if I'll like it. I know it will be a neat tool but at low speeds I get used to how many turns I need when maneuvering, especially with trailers.
 
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Old May 21, 2016 | 07:12 AM
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It mostly affects high speed ratios. At low speed it allows for a more nimble and sensitive steering. Like I said, I didn't really like it, but I could tell it made the slalom course much safer and easier to control.

It's a pretty simple concept. There is the output gear around the steering shaft, and then the ring gear on the wheel. A computer controlled variable gear adjust the ratio between the two. Keeping it all the the wheel means it's not exposed to road dirt and stuff, so I think that's pretty smart.

Basically in the slalom, on the Ford I was able to just turn the wheel and go through, with the Chevy I was spinning the wheel rapidly to change the steering.

They had a computer model that showed with and without drive lines, and in most cases it increased steering sensitivity, however, at high speeds with tow/haul it decreased it. It's impressive stuff, just not in line with my model TT mentality on what vehicles should have (-=
 
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Old May 23, 2016 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Frantz
The adaptive steering allows the ratio of the steering wheel to automatically adjust based on speed and even load. It makes the lock to lock a lower number or higher number based on conditions and gives better control of the vehicle. The SD is and will continue to be mechanical power steering for the foreseeable future due to the work loads. The adaptive steering module Ford has is entirely inside the steering wheel behind the airbag.

As for the functionality of the automatic, it's just better. I hate that, but it is. That being said, I wouldn't buy automatic on anything I didn't have to. My '15 Fiesta has a manual transmission and crank windows. I'm not rich, but I certainly could have afforded an SE automatic, I just don't like it, so why pay more? In a truck, automatic with a torque converter allows for much smoother transitions and makes plowing a breeze. While distracted driving is bad, lets face it, in a work truck there are plenty of other things one is often doing, so freeing up a hand and foot makes it safer and more functional. I love my manual F550, but I would have an awful time arguing that it's more practical. Todays autos are quite robust and get excellent fuel economy. More drivers can use them, and they have a higher resale value.
Does the adaptive steering help any with the bump steer that all solid front axles have?
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 07:11 AM
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I don't see how it would affect bump steer. It only changes the input ratio needed for a given output.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
Does the adaptive steering help any with the bump steer that all solid front axles have?
My truck is 10 years old and doesnt have bumpsteer, nor did my '13 Ram 2500.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by KingRanchCummins
My truck is 10 years old and doesnt have bumpsteer, nor did my '13 Ram 2500.
My 05 SD had bump steer and the death wobble bad from day one, my 15 SD didn't have the death wobble but had bump steer. I was hoping that the adaptive steering would feel the road imperfections but "block" them
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 08:04 AM
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Thanks for the input Frantz. Just be nice to have a few of these sitting on dealer lots available to purchase and test drive. At that point, we'll hear all about how folks prefer the "old" styling for about six months, and then we can go back to all loving the current generation.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
My 05 SD had bump steer and the death wobble bad from day one, my 15 SD didn't have the death wobble but had bump steer. I was hoping that the adaptive steering would feel the road imperfections but "block" them
Yet I can drive down sone pretty bad dirt roads and my steering wheel doesnt move, nor did my 13 ram, or any of my Jeeps (coil sprung with a track bar)

Not sure why you think "every solid axle truck" will have bump steer, which is shouldn't if suspension geometry is correct
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KingRanchCummins
Yet I can drive down sone pretty bad dirt roads and my steering wheel doesnt move, nor did my 13 ram, or any of my Jeeps (coil sprung with a track bar)

Not sure why you think "every solid axle truck" will have bump steer, which is shouldn't if suspension geometry is correct
I agree. I think a heavy-weight solid front axle might jump and move a bit on heavy bumps, but I commend Ford for the job they have done in isolating the steering from the bumps. I've had 3 Super Dutys and none of them have exhibited this problem steering. I live in major frost heave country and rough roads. Basically, from the factory, these trucks do not have the problem. That would be unacceptable. Now, if front end parts are worn out, bushings, ball joints, steering arm, tie rods, bent tie rods, radius arms...or if the truck is lifted...then yeah, expect problems.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by KingRanchCummins
Yet I can drive down sone pretty bad dirt roads and my steering wheel doesnt move, nor did my 13 ram, or any of my Jeeps (coil sprung with a track bar)

Not sure why you think "every solid axle truck" will have bump steer, which is shouldn't if suspension geometry is correct
driving either one in the pasture the wheel would move from any imperfection. Maybe not a problem unless you have torn tendons in both elbows and any unnecessary movement is to much.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 04:02 PM
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Did you drive a gasser
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 05:23 PM
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Did you drive a gasser
2 of mine were gas and now one diesel. All steered fine.
 
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Old May 24, 2016 | 07:27 PM
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I was wondering how it drove over the current gasser
 
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