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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 02:09 PM
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A search feature is just a widget; if they're charging you that much money to enable a dang widget, they are using that as a money-making scheme.
I can embed HTML. So, if I had a widget in HTML I could embed it. However, would it be able to search the whole site, or just the page it is on?
 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 05:55 PM
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See if these help you (the second link I list below contains a link to the first listed below but I'm including both because that other one also looked good)

My Weebly Tricks: Weebly Tricks #49 - Custom Search Engine for Weebly Free Users

My Weebly Tricks: Inserting Search Box in Weebly Navigation: An Overview
 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 06:02 PM
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Thanks! I was actually going to say I think I've found a couple of possible solutions as I found the same things. I'm looking into the Google one first, but will check out the other as well.

Thanks again.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 06:59 PM
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Ok, I added a Google search page. That was the easiest way to try it, and it seems to work, although I haven't figured out how to search for images yet. Or, maybe I should say I don't know how to find an image.

If this works then maybe I can change up where the search is. But, the search page seems reasonable. What'cha think? Please try some searches and let me know how it goes. (I'm not sure I understand how it works, but don't want to lead the witness.)
 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 08:27 PM
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About searching for images, you might try inserting some alternative text in the img statement - this was originally designed for text-based browsers that can't display images, try inserting some innocuous text in the img statement of some random image, have google re-index your site, then see if you can search on that alt text and see what happens.

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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 08:32 PM
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OK, I just found something... I used that google search thing you made and searched on "*orig.jpg" seeing as how that text was in the filename of this image (which was on the page that came up in the search results when I searched on "perches"):



But look at your search results - two tabs, one labeled "Web" and another labeled "Image"... click that Image tab and look at what it shows you.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 08:33 PM
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Might not need to wait for Google to reindex your site, it might just work....
 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 08:36 PM
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BTW 8086ford welcome to FTE. And please ignore my conversation with Gary, we generally don't hijack somebody's thread to talk about totally unrelated stuff but this is an exception.
 
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
BTW 8086ford welcome to FTE. And please ignore my conversation with Gary, we generally don't hijack somebody's thread to talk about totally unrelated stuff but this is an exception.
I was wondering if a moderator would come along and modulate us.

Yes, I'm sorry for hijacking the thread. Should have started my own thread about this.
 
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If you had started your own thread on this, there is a better chance I would have put it to "later" and delayed things. This way, we're talking about perches and semi-related stuff on your site here in this thread about perches, so, it kinda fits if you reaaaaaaaalllllly stretch it.

 
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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 09:44 PM
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Well, I don't know how to streeeeetch to include the Tokens, but I'm glad you did. WOW! They are OLD!!!! It is amazing what 55 years will do to you. But, they sure can sing.

Anyway, I am glad we had this conversation, sorta kinda about perches, as I now have a search function. THANKS!

I've just changed the style of the search function as the results were being hidden by the nav menu. See what you think.

And, search for "perches" and tell me how it finds those hits.
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
I've just changed the style of the search function as the results were being hidden by the nav menu. See what you think.

And, search for "perches" and tell me how it finds those hits.
I LIKE IT!!!

Well, I think I do... maybe you're actively mucking with it at the moment....

From your home page, navigate to the Search Page... enter your query terms into the bo1) and the results are displayed in, like, one half of the RH side, I like that! Don't know why, but I do.

(1) I was originally going to ask you to put a search box onto each and every page (especially the front page) but it looks like you already did that - at the very very top is a form field expanding pretty much the page width (size & orientation can be adjusted later) but it displays the results directly below it and pushes all the pre-existing content down the page, that looks bad... My initial comments come from entering terms into the half-wide field.

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When I click the hyperlink pertaining to any of the search results (searched on 'perches') the resulting page opens up in a new browser window, not sure if you you were wanting that or not but IMHO sites that operate that way are confusing after a while.

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IBID someplace around this timeframe you asked about posting links to your site on FTE but I can't find your questions.

BTW I wouldn't list engine stands (perches) under a main heading of Exterior, just seems wrong for any number of reasons but that's just my opinion.

And, search for "perches" and tell me how it finds those hits.
Do You mean the 10 pages of search results?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2016 | 09:46 PM
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See below in red.

Originally Posted by ctubutis
I LIKE IT!!! Thanks!

Well, I think I do... maybe you're actively mucking with it at the moment.... Nope. Wasn't when you were looking.
From your home page, navigate to the Search Page... enter your query terms into the bo1) and the results are displayed in, like, one half of the RH side, I like that! Don't know why, but I do. That's the "compact" format. And I put it in a window on the right half of the page so the results stay away from the standard nav bar in the left margin.

(1) I was originally going to ask you to put a search box onto each and every page (especially the front page) but it looks like you already did that - at the very very top is a form field expanding pretty much the page width (size & orientation can be adjusted later) but it displays the results directly below it and pushes all the pre-existing content down the page, that looks bad... My initial comments come from entering terms into the half-wide field. I don't seem to have much control of how it works if I put it in the header, which is where it is at the top of the page. Another option would be for me to create a new theme and include the search widget in the theme, which would then show up on each page. For instance, I could put a place for my add-on navigation table on the top left, and a place for the search on the top right - and use the compact format. But, I don't "yet" know how to create a theme. Hmmm.

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When I click the hyperlink pertaining to any of the search results (searched on 'perches') the resulting page opens up in a new browser window, not sure if you you were wanting that or not but IMHO sites that operate that way are confusing after a while. Yes, I agree. But, I don't seem to be able to change that either.

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I like that!

IBID someplace around this timeframe you asked about posting links to your site on FTE but I can't find your questions. Yes, I was just trying to think of all the ways to make it convenient for people to find things. But, I can't see placing anything on FTE as I can't edit it after 30 days and I plan to be adding pages to the web site for a long time.

BTW I wouldn't list engine stands (perches) under a main heading of Exterior, just seems wrong for any number of reasons but that's just my opinion. Where would you put them?


Do You mean the 10 pages of search results? Yes! And most of them don't have anything to do with perches. Nor can I find "perches" on most of them by searching the page.
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
See below in red.
Well, I can't easily quote your red text since it was added to *my* text, so I'll do this in a manual fashion....

- Traditionally, stuff like search bars and other type of html doesn't go into the HEAD tags, that stuff goes into the BODY tags. It will usually *work* in the HEAD tags but it "just doesn't belong there" is the best way I can explain it.

- I don't know anything about creating themes in Weebly; in fact, I had never heard of Weebly before you set this up, about all I know from Googling is that it has a lot of drag-n-drop stuff that is supposed to make it easy for people.

- The search stuff opening up into new windows/tabs/whatever, I looked at that some and, yeah, that seems to be controlled by Google and there's nothing you can easily do about that behavior.

- As for where the perches (and, most importantly, the frame) stuff belong, I would create a new top-level heading of something like Chassis & Frame and put that stuff in there. Might look at how the sticky here is organized; Scott (horsepuller) originally set that up... or look at how a Chilton or Haynes manual organizes stuff, we both know the Ford was is somewhat non-intuitive and takes significant learning so don't necessarily follow their lead here, but something a little more intuitive than putting that under "Exterior" would probably make lots more sense to most people.

- The Google search results... this is actually their industry secret, about all I know offhand is they have an algorithm that takes lots of things into consideration when ordering & presenting the results; for example... do you remember when I explained that keywords in page titles carry a lot of weight? Notice how the first result has that keyword in the title? Other things in their algorithm include how many other pages link to a particular candidate for top placement (if that makes sense), where those keywords are located (being in footnotes (as such) being the lowest priority whereas titles & headings are the highest weight), how many times such keywords appear and what other words are they close to, there is all kinds of stuff they consider... and they do a really good job of it because it has become the #1 search engine used by the masses.

FTE's search engine is almost horrific by comparison; there once was a time when it considered "spark plug" and "spark plugs" (plural) as two, unique terms with one having nothing to do with the other... it is exceedingly literal and doesn't seem to have much AI ability do deal with "sounds like"-type of text.

Now, given that it is searching only your site, it's obviously not going to include results from other sites; my guess is that it lists (virtually) all of your pages simply because they're part of the same domain (site) + it allows them to include 10 pages of results which makes it look kinda impressive.

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There once was a time when IB/FTE had a contractual relationship with Google and all FTE posts were immediately indexed and made available via their search engine; but that contract seems to have expired as I could only find stuff posted the day before (or maybe earlier in the day) the last time i went and checked that stuff. I don't know what that has to do with anything, probably nothing but it came to mind for some reason.
 
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Hey, I like this! See below in red.

Originally Posted by ctubutis
Well, I can't easily quote your red text since it was added to *my* text, so I'll do this in a manual fashion....

- Traditionally, stuff like search bars and other type of html doesn't go into the HEAD tags, that stuff goes into the BODY tags. It will usually *work* in the HEAD tags but it "just doesn't belong there" is the best way I can explain it. The header and footer are the only things that get replicated on each page with the theme I'm using - or so I think. So, not wanting to paste it onto over 200 pages I chose the header. And it works, so.....

- I don't know anything about creating themes in Weebly; in fact, I had never heard of Weebly before you set this up, about all I know from Googling is that it has a lot of drag-n-drop stuff that is supposed to make it easy for people. Weebly makes it extremely easy. I taught high schoolers to create a web site in two lessons. But, if you want fancy you either, like a fancy search function, you either have to pay them lots or find a way around it. But, I'll look into themes. Apparently I can edit the one I'm using and then make it my theme. If so I can put a search function in the body.

- The search stuff opening up into new windows/tabs/whatever, I looked at that some and, yeah, that seems to be controlled by Google and there's nothing you can easily do about that behavior. That fits what I found as I poked my nose into every corner of the setup and there's no mention of opening or not opening in a new tab.

- As for where the perches (and, most importantly, the frame) stuff belong, I would create a new top-level heading of something like Chassis & Frame and put that stuff in there. Might look at how the sticky here is organized; Scott (horsepuller) originally set that up... or look at how a Chilton or Haynes manual organizes stuff, we both know the Ford was is somewhat non-intuitive and takes significant learning so don't necessarily follow their lead here, but something a little more intuitive than putting that under "Exterior" would probably make lots more sense to most people. Ok, I'll look into that. Fortunately, Weebly sets up the URL to each page, regardless of where it is. So, as long as I don't rename pages all the links I've sent people will still work. However, my manually-generated nav function will be toast, so I really need to find a better way. Any ideas?

- The Google search results... this is actually their industry secret, about all I know offhand is they have an algorithm that takes lots of things into consideration when ordering & presenting the results; for example... do you remember when I explained that keywords in page titles carry a lot of weight? Notice how the first result has that keyword in the title? Other things in their algorithm include how many other pages link to a particular candidate for top placement (if that makes sense), where those keywords are located (being in footnotes (as such) being the lowest priority whereas titles & headings are the highest weight), how many times such keywords appear and what other words are they close to, there is all kinds of stuff they consider... and they do a really good job of it because it has become the #1 search engine used by the masses. Yup, I remember.

FTE's search engine is almost horrific by comparison; there once was a time when it considered "spark plug" and "spark plugs" (plural) as two, unique terms with one having nothing to do with the other... it is exceedingly literal and doesn't seem to have much AI ability do deal with "sounds like"-type of text.

Now, given that it is searching only your site, it's obviously not going to include results from other sites; my guess is that it lists (virtually) all of your pages simply because they're part of the same domain (site) + it allows them to include 10 pages of results which makes it look kinda impressive. I just searched for "Axle" and went to the last page - #10. The last hit says:
Air Cleaner Housing #'s - Gary's Garagemahal
Air Cleaner Housing #'s - Gary's Garagemahal
Back; Specifications > · Assembly Plants · Axle Ratios; Body Codes - Interior >; Certification Label · DSO Codes · Engine Codes · Exterior Paint Codes · Model ...
But, if you go there you won't find the word "axle", even though it is showing in the search results. Why?


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There once was a time when IB/FTE had a contractual relationship with Google and all FTE posts were immediately indexed and made available via their search engine; but that contract seems to have expired as I could only find stuff posted the day before (or maybe earlier in the day) the last time i went and checked that stuff. I don't know what that has to do with anything, probably nothing but it came to mind for some reason.
 
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