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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 04:03 PM
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C.R. with 58cc chambers ?

Found a great deal on some used heads with 58cc chambers, what would be a best guess for C.R. with stock pistons in 1992 351 windsor ?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2016 | 12:22 AM
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It will be high.
As an example, my 302 with flat top pistons and 58cc heads is 9.5/1. It originally had dished pistons.
If your pistons are flat tops, it will even higher than mine.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2016 | 08:52 AM
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I have original (dished) pistons so I'm guessing around 9:1 which is just fine, ty..
 
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Old Jan 21, 2016 | 11:16 AM
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That 5.8 has a stock CR of about 8.8:1 with 64cc chambers, 58cc chambers would bump that to about 9.4:1 which is no problem at all.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2016 | 12:53 PM
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Thank you Conan, they are used Dart Iron Eagles and i am seriously considering them.
 
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what are the flow numbers for those heads. this going into a bronco or truck?
 
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 10:31 AM
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what are the flow numbers for those heads. this going into a bronco or truck?
180/73, full size van..
 
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:31 PM
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will you be running headers? and new exhaust
 
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 02:37 PM
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stock manifolds and custom exhaust..
 
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the intake and exhaust manifolds will be the choking points and probably wouldnt justify these heads. but its worth a shot if your up for the task.
 
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so 170's would be better choice, unless i was upgrading the intake/exhaust manifolds which I'm not doing..
 
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The intake could be ported so it's not a total loss but why aren't you fitting headers?
 
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Originally Posted by Conanski
The intake could be ported so it's not a total loss but why aren't you fitting headers?
Noise mainly, headers are much louder than stock manifolds..
Not going for horsepower but if i can gain some torque without spending too much money,,,
TFS 170's are $1000/pr and i'm just not sure that heads are worth the expense if valve lift is at or under .500"
The paint job happens first week of April then I'll start pouring money in the engine, all i really wanted to do was change the cam but if i found some good heads for the right price,,, the price is right but like you said the 180's are a poor choice for my application and 170's are just not worth the expense, not for me anyways..
To be honest the engine really doesn't need a thing and runs fantastic but it's hard to get that hot rodding out of your blood
 
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Originally Posted by gman97005
Noise mainly, headers are much louder than stock manifolds..
Depends on the rest of the exhaust, when I first put headers on my '90 I had a complete diesel catback on it with that massive oildrum muffler and the exhaust sound was pretty much dead silent like a stock exhaust. With that system you could hear the faint putt-putt-putt noise that headers are known for but once I put a different muffler on it that characteristic header noise was less obvious.

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Not going for horsepower but if i can gain some torque without spending too much money,,,
all i really wanted to do was change the cam but if i found some good heads for the right price,,,
Just do the cam then, there is untapped HP and torque in the stock heads even, the cams to use are the Comp 35-255-5 or my favorite the Crane 444232 with 1.7 rockers. With that done you can add heads or headers at a later date and get all the benefits whereas heads on a motor with the stock cam won't be that impressive.
 
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Depends on the rest of the exhaust, when I first put headers on my '90 I had a complete diesel catback on it with that massive oildrum muffler and the exhaust sound was pretty much dead silent like a stock exhaust. With that system you could hear the faint putt-putt-putt noise that headers are known for but once I put a different muffler on it that characteristic header noise was less obvious.

Just do the cam then, there is untapped HP and torque in the stock heads even, the cams to use are the Comp 35-255-5 or my favorite the Crane 444232 with 1.7 rockers. With that done you can add heads or headers at a later date and get all the benefits whereas heads on a motor with the stock cam won't be that impressive.
I have real nice audio system in my van and engine noise or header tick is very unwelcome inside the cabin, that's the main reason i like the stock manifolds..
If i was going to replace the heads i would do it when i pull the intake manifold to change the cam so the stock heads are most likely staying put..

Valve Lift with 1.7's
Crane 444232
.476" Intake
.493" Exhaust
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Comp 35-255-5
.508" Intake
.515" Exhaust

That rules out using the Comp with 1.7's and stock heads leaving the Crane 444232 as the best choice for stock heads with 1.7's

If the stock 1.6 rockers are used the Comp would be a better choice with stock heads, at least that's my thoughts..
 
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