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Old 10-15-2015, 12:14 PM
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Bad COP?

My truck is not showing a code so i'm having to go thru a process of elimination that isn't working out for me.
My symptom is a mis-fire that happens when the engine gets warm. It seems to run good at first start-up but slowly gets worse a couple miles down the road. Is this a symptom of a cop going bad? Maybe two? What is the best way to identify the bad?
 
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Old 10-15-2015, 03:30 PM
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It is possible for a COP malfunctioning when hot .
One simple way to find out is to buy one good COP ( Motocraft ) and swap one COP at a time until your misfire is gone (assuming only one bad COP ) .

How many miles do you have on the clock ?
when the plugs/ boots/coil springs changed last time ?

When a spark plug gap gets larger ,it takes more current to jump the electrods , then COP works harder and it gets overheated and that can cause failure .

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Old 10-15-2015, 04:08 PM
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I pulled and replaced all the boots when it started the problem a week ago. I cleaned the spring sockets and added plenty of diaelectric grease everywhere. I bought a new cop and now on my 4th swap out with no luck. I guess I will painstakingly go thru the rest of them over the course of the weekend. I betting that I have two that are bad and that is messing me up on the process.
 
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Old 10-16-2015, 10:49 AM
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I bought another new cop on the way home yesterday and this morning swapped out #7 cylinder and I think I have found the culprit. It ran smooth all the way to work. On another note, I'm pretty sure that when I swapped out #9 it ran better but still missing when hot.
I think my frustration in my process was that I had two bad cop's.
 
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Old 10-17-2015, 06:09 AM
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Backing up just a bit you say you couldn't retrieve a code with a scanner? Is the data link connector working? Did the MIL or Check Engine Now light come on?

I had a similar temperature related misfire with aftermarket COP's, overnight cold lower than 38* would cause misfire. Once engine was warmed and restarted the miss would go away, MIL still showing a fault. That's not unusual for cheaper COP's.

Another thing to check is the wiring harness connector as their locking tabs have been known to break either from old age or a heavy thumb. They can temporarily lose contact and throw a code. Replacement pigtails are available through most good parts sellers, I use NAPA EC259.

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Old 10-17-2015, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfboro
... When a spark plug gap gets larger ,it takes more current to jump the electrodes , then COP works harder and it gets overheated and that can cause failure ...
The COP assembly coil may not be the part that is failing. The coil may be working harder with a larger gap, but the spring may be causing higher resistance if it is rusty or the boot may have aged and have a split or thin spot that is arcing thru.
Our car was misfiring because of water getting on 2 cylinders causing the springs to rust. Did not throw any codes. I'm in the process of getting Torque Pro running on a Thinkpad PC to look for early signs of misfires. I've read that there has to be a certain number of misfires before a code is set.
 
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I'm in the process of getting Torque Pro running on a Thinkpad PC to look for early signs of misfires. I've read that there has to be a certain number of misfires before a code is set.
Most hand-held scanners like an Actron CP9580 can read the misfire counter---its typically a pending DTC but does require a threshold be reached before it will throw a cylinder-specific code.
 
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