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Old Sep 5, 2015 | 07:59 PM
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Brake controller.....again

Alright, so I did search, I just didn't quite find what I was looking for. Can later model year brake controllers and up fitter switches fit earlier models? Example: my 250SD is an '06 will an '08-'10 OEM brake controllers fit in the designated spot? My truck does have the tow package, just no switches and no controller. I also read that I may need a different master, is that correct? Or that I will have to get the computer flashed, is that also correct? Thanks in advance, and I'm sorry if this has been covered and I didn't see it.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2015 | 08:22 PM
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For your 06 you can get upfitter switches and relay harness from ford or online and simply plug in and use.the brake controller also available and simply plugs in, then carry it buy Ford dealer to have it flashed to pcm. my dealer here charged me 30.00 to flash controller to truck,
 
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Old Sep 5, 2015 | 11:01 PM
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From what I could tell you do need a different master cyl and pressure sender. I think the only ones that will fit/work on you 2006 is the 05-07. More reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_TowCommand
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 04:33 AM
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So from what I am understanding (and maybe I'm wrong), I COULD use an OEM controller without changing the MC, it just won't change the gain if my ABS kicks in. Seem correct? I am picking my new camper up this Thursday and I'd like to have all my ducks in a row. Thanks for the help guys! I would rather have the clean OEM look over the aftermarket external dash mount, if possible. If anyone else has any input, I'm all ears! Thanks again!
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Necronommicon
So from what I am understanding (and maybe I'm wrong), I COULD use an OEM controller without changing the MC, it just won't change the gain if my ABS kicks in. Seem correct?
Nope, I'm 99% certain that will not work. The master cylinder sensor isn't for the ABS, it's how the controller knows how hard you are braking. Most aftermarket controllers use an inertia sensor to guess your braking intentions, the Ford system uses a pressure sensor on the master cylinder. Without that sensor the controller has absolutely no idea how hard you're trying to brake, so it can't function.

The OEM controller is much more than just the clean look. Because it measures your braking pressure directly it's a much more seamless method of controlling your trailer brakes. It's a safer option than even the best aftermarket controllers as a result. I've had a few Tekonsha Prodigy controllers, and the inertia system certainly isn't flawless. You really want the factory controller for how well it works, not just the look!
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 08:26 AM
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Tom, Thanks for that great info. Is there a way I can tell if the MC needs to be changed out, just by looking at it?
 
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Ok, I'm just going to assume that the MC that is currently on the truck does not have the sensor needed. What is a good replacement? Raybestos, Cardone, or FoMoCo Is there really a difference between them? I know that even the FoMoCo one has 2 different part numbers. I'm not sure how to tell which one is the correct one.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 09:37 AM
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I really wish I had some good answers for you on this. I'm not ignoring you, I just don't know as I've heard differing things.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 09:39 AM
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No worries! I'm planning on needing to replace the MC to add the controller. I just want to be sure before I drop the money one it. My biggest thing now is can any brand MC work? Also, what is the difference in the vacuum boost or hydro-boost, or are they the same? Example: Part Number: 2140(BRMC-25) Part Description: With 4 Wheel Disc Brake Hydro-Boost ; Integrated Brake Control $240.38 OR Part Number: 2140 Part Description: Power 4-Wheel Disc Vacuum Boost ; Integrated Brake Control $346.17.
 
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Also, what are these wires for? There is no connector on them, they are just snipped.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 02:11 PM
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The other end of those wires are inside the cab. Ford gave as some wires that go through the cab for accessories.
 
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it might be worth wile to find a 05-07 that has the factory TBC and compare the master cyls. Where are you located?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 03:45 PM
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The wires are from the upfitter switches. Call your Ford Dealer about the brake controller, thats what I did and they said you did not need to change master cylinder when adding brake controller, but did need to have them program brake controller.(basically telling truck pcm to accept factory brake controller) yours may be totally different. Mine truck is a 2006 f250 4x4 v10. Mine came with towing package but no upfitter switches or brake controller, I added them after I bought truck used.
 
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I'm in SE Michigan. I just stumbled across a TBC, upfitters, and MC for around $105. Seems like a decent deal. They're coming from a 40K mile donor truck, same engine and all that I have.
 
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Originally Posted by fairlane70
The wires are from the upfitter switches. Call your Ford Dealer about the brake controller, thats what I did and they said you did not need to change master cylinder when adding brake controller, but did need to have them program brake controller.(basically telling truck pcm to accept factory brake controller) yours may be totally different. Mine truck is a 2006 f250 4x4 v10. Mine came with towing package but no upfitter switches or brake controller, I added them after I bought truck used.
Sounds like we have the same truck, I have an '06 F250 CC 4X4 V10 with tow as well. It's just missing the switches and TBC. I'll give them a call first thing Tuesday morning. Thanks!
 
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