In regards to the Glock the many, many defect recalls of this weapon speak for itself.

The first major one came about because when dropped the slide could seperate from the frame and when it did the gun would fire if a round was in the chamber.

Now we hear that the rear frame rails are breaking off.

Glock has an extremely weak ignition system that is also subject to contamination in the firing pin area causing misfirers. Try seating a high primer in an empty cartridge case and then attempt to fire it. The Glocks weak ignition system will misfire. Try the same thing in a High Power or 1911 and its bone crushing ignition system will set the high primer off every time. The worlds military pistols have long had hammer fired ignition systems and for good reason, they are much more reliable than the weak striker fired ignition systems of other designs like the Glock.

In the bottom of the Glocks grip there is a hole that also lets in contamination. Some people buy an after market plug to seal this hole up.

Glocks have extremely creapy trigger pulls even with the custom competition package installed.

Glocks trigger let off is totally inconsistant. As the trigger is pulled rearward the gun fires at different points in the rearward trigger travel. If you ever bought the competition package and attempted to adjust up the overtravel screw you will quickly find out that if you take out all the overtravel like you do in the 1911 competiton models that unlike the 1911 the Glock will fail to fire about 3 shots out of every 25 shots. This is due to the inconsistant let off of the trigger.

Many people buy the Glock because it has the same trigger pull for every shot. No hard first doulble action shot. But it comes at a price. There is no manual safety and this type of weapon is extremely dangerous to use on a daily basis. If you are ever going to accidentally shoot yourself you will do it with a Glock.

The Glock until recently had no loaded chamber indicator which resulted in a lot of accidents and it still does not have a cocking indicator. Most other modern pistols all have these features.

People have the mistaken assumption that todays polymer pistols are indestructable. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I have worked with polymer for years and I can assure you it is not indestructable.

As plastic ages it hardens especially when exposed to sunlight and chemicals like gun cleaning fluids. Many years from now the steel frame gun you bought if even lightly oiled will probably still be just like new but the plastic gun you bought will probably be a useless piece of trash due to the aging of the plastic frame.

Aesthetically the Glock wins all the awards for the ugliest pistol ever invented.

The Glock like most modern pistols was designed for mass production using the cheapest materials possible, plastic, stamped sheet metal, and castings. There is simply no pride of ownership in such a weapon. I tend to like my Sears electric plastic hand drill slightly more than my two Glocks. I think it is even balanced slightly better than my Glocks.

Accuracy as never been a selling point of the Glock either. Even if it had a quality barrel its light weight, creepy trigger pull and top heavy balance make it only a close range blaster at best.

Its plastic sights are so fragile that it is a question of when they will wear down or break off not if they will wear down or break off. Another example of the use of junk plastic parts to keep the cost of the gun down.

Stripping a Glock to the frame is a lot more involved than stripping a 1911. A special set of bent needle nose pliers are required to get the mag release spring out of the gun and other tools are required to pry out the sub-assemblies located in the frame of the gun. Taking out the plastic firing pin stop too many times results in a loose fit that will enable the stop to eventually fall out. One more example of the use and failure of junk plastic parts.

I have seen more pictures of blown up Glocks than any other automatic pistol, especially in the 40 S&W caliber. Although it is true that all the brands of auto loaders seem to be exploding for unkown reasons in the 40 S&W caliber the Glock leads the pack in Ka-booms.

Glocks have been proven to be able to fire out of battery (before the slide completely closes).

In short there is no comparison to the High Power. If you want a substandard tool buy a Glock, if you want a work of art buy a High Power.

In conclusion High Powers work, I have shot more than one Glock that did not work.

Saying that the Glock is a reliable weapon just does not support the facts. The Glocks extractor had to be redesigned because it often jammed up when it got dirty from only burt gun powder, never mind raw desert sand.

The Glocks magazine has gone through 3 changes that I am aware off. The most dramatic was the old style that actually flew apart when dropped on a hard surface. I actually saw this happen to a friend of mine and both of us laughed so hard tears came to our eyes. If you look at the bottom of the two magazines you will see that by simply squeezing the old style magazine will allow the floor plate to come off of the magazine body. This was later corrected by adding a button in the middle of the floor plate. And guess where that idea came from. Your right it came from the High Powers magazine design. I guess imititation is the most sincere form of flattery.

The Glock has had contaminates enter also through the bottom of the grip necessitating the addition of an after market plastic plug that to my knowledge never has been offered by the factory.

The Glocks glocks firing pin channel is another design defect that lets contaminents into it. I have read of more than one Police dept. that has had problems with officers who failed to keep the firing pin channel clean which resulted in Glock misfires.

The Glocks pins actually have no detents to hold them in. Take a glock apart too often and the holes in the plastic frame become enlarged and the pins can then work themselves out under recoil. Again another totaly inferior design as opposed to the High Power or 1911.

The Glocks firing pin engergy is totally inferior to the bone crushing thrust of the 1911 or Browning High Power. Take an empty case and put a primer in it and seat it a little on the high side and then watch your Glock balk and misfire not once but several times before it is able to fire off the empty primed case. Now take a 1911 or High Power. They never fail to set the primer off. Under severe combat conditions they are the superior design by far.

All this coupled with all of the recalls which are too numerous to go into here does not make the Glock in any shape or form even remotely as reliable as the High Power or the Colt 1911 (the original 1911 not the shoddy examples being made today that are not up to the original John Browning specs.)



The Sig is nothing more than a very fragile high tech sheet metal pistol. Try dropping one on a hard surface and two things will happen. 1. The aluminum frame will be damaged and 2. The unsupported plastic grips will break which will can result in the naked mainspring strut being bent putting the pistol out of commission. Couple all this with the fact that the gun is impossible to strip to the frame when it really gets contaminated makes for a totally inferior design compared to the solid steel back strap of the 1911 or High Power and lets not forget the 1911 can be stripped right down to the frame with no tools.

Once again the newer designed pistols have absolutely nothing over the Classic High Power or the Classic 1911 and in fact all are inferior in many, many ways. Newer is not all ways better and in the case of pistol design newer is way inferior in every case.

Originally posted by mattsbox99
Somebody asked about Para-Ordnance pistols, we have one, I think its a P45-14 or something like that. I love the gun, it shoots great and has pretty decent accuracy, for what we need anyway. It is based off of the 1911 and I believe some of the parts interchange, I have seen a a few Para-Colts that had a Para slide and a Colt frame. I am not sure why htis would be desireable but they sell for about 150 less than a new Para(650-1250), I don't know what a new colt, now that they are back in business, costs.