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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 09:34 PM
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Late 04 no start when hot....Help

late 04 only mod is egr delete. Getting a no start when we shut down and go in a store for a bit. First I was thinking HPO but according to the scangauge the lowest ICP is 580-590 usually over 600. FICM voltage is 48.0. There is a p1187 code for oil temp voltage. The pigtail connector for the oil temp sensor was broken but seemed to work. I replaced the connector with a new one and still have the problem. According to the scangauge the oil and water temp are well within 10 degrees and while this was happening oil temp was 170. Any ideas, I'm at a loss.

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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 09:50 PM
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What is ICP while cranking when you have a no start?
Unplug the ICP sensor and see if it starts when hot.
 
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Originally Posted by chadjetlag
late 04 only mod is egr delete. Getting a no start when we shut down and go in a store for a bit. First I was thinking HPO but according to the scangauge the lowest ICP is 580-590 usually over 600. FICM voltage is 48.0. There is a p1187 code for oil temp voltage. The pigtail connector for the oil temp sensor was broken but seemed to work. I replaced the connector with a new one and still have the problem. According to the scangauge the oil and water temp are well within 10 degrees and while this was happening oil temp was 170. Any ideas, I'm at a loss.

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What is the ICP pressure and IPR% while cranking when it doesn't want to start?
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 09:57 PM
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ICP is 580 on cranking, IPR if I recall correctly was 14ish %. I unplugged the ICP and tried it, still got a no start.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 10:23 PM
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once it sits long enough, it will start. I am confused and the P1187 code makes it more confusing.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 07:51 AM
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What are you reading codes with? I don't see/have a P1187 in my 6.0 specific DTC list. AE lists it as an 02 sensor code which we don't have.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by npccpartsman
What are you reading codes with? I don't see/have a P1187 in my 6.0 specific DTC list. AE lists it as an 02 sensor code which we don't have.
the Scangauge reads it as P1187, when I cleared it it shows cleared but the check engine light stays on, and shows no other codes.

From the Code list on this site (https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...code-list.html
P1187 - EOT Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 09:24 AM
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Go to your local parts store, and ask them to pull the codes for you. The scan gauge is a great monitor but not always the best code reader.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 09:53 AM
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I also have a "Actron" code reader, it reads the same code. I used the other reader after the check engine light would not go out. It threw an ICP code after I unplugged the ICP to try and start it.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 11:35 AM
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did it start with the ICP unpluged?
i dont think a faulty EOT sensor is going to give you a hot no start.
it is just for the PCM to know the temp for things like fan speed or to de-fuel you when it gets to hot.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by evan1242
did it start with the ICP unpluged?
i dont think a faulty EOT sensor is going to give you a hot no start.
it is just for the PCM to know the temp for things like fan speed or to de-fuel you when it gets to hot.
No, it will not start with the icp unplugged. It is really strange
 
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i saw you posted above that while cranking the ICP is 580.
was this cold or hot?
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by evan1242
i saw you posted above that while cranking the ICP is 580.
was this cold or hot?
That is hot. As best I can tell the HPO system is in pretty good shape.
 
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ok what is the IPR % while cranking hot?

you can pull the IPR and check the screen for damage/debris.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by evan1242
ok what is the IPR % while cranking hot?

you can pull the IPR and check the screen for damage/debris.
I will go drive it. As I recall on trying to start hot it was reading 14 something % but I didn't write it down so I am not positive.
 
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