Strengthening frame on excursion?
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Strengthening frame on excursion?
My mechanic was telling me that there is a kit to box in the rear of the excursion frame to add strength for guys that tow at the limit all the time. I was asking him about towing a 32ft bumper pull that would be at the tippy top of the tow rating maybe slightly above once its loaded with water and fuel. (We usually tow dry until we get close to our destination)
Anyone know of this kit? he said it was from the rear cab mount by the back doors.Sometimes excursion can crack right there. IF not, What can I do to make this truck tow better?
planned upgrades already
Going to weld the EGR and replace the up pipe.
Headstuds
Beefing up the trans with probably a Suncoast unit.
Custom tune with my live wire for towing
Rear airbags
hellwig swaybars
prodigy brake controller
Rear box frame kit???????
What else
thanks
Chris
Anyone know of this kit? he said it was from the rear cab mount by the back doors.Sometimes excursion can crack right there. IF not, What can I do to make this truck tow better?
planned upgrades already
Going to weld the EGR and replace the up pipe.
Headstuds
Beefing up the trans with probably a Suncoast unit.
Custom tune with my live wire for towing
Rear airbags
hellwig swaybars
prodigy brake controller
Rear box frame kit???????
What else
thanks
Chris
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What kind of weight are we talking about here Chris? Is this 32' trailer a toyhauler? Have you pulled it yet and if so how did the EX do with it?
We pull a 41' TT that tips the scales at 11k lbs with our V-10 EX, modded X/B springs, rear Hellwig, Rancho adjustable shocks, prodigy P3, gears (effective 4.39 ratio), Banks headers and custom 5Star tunes have made the EX a great tow rig. I have not heard of anyone having rear frame issues on these rigs, but that doesn't mean it aint happening, I'll be checking mine out first chance I get.
I do use and highly recommend the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch, these pricey hitches work very well with long and heavy trailers.
We pull a 41' TT that tips the scales at 11k lbs with our V-10 EX, modded X/B springs, rear Hellwig, Rancho adjustable shocks, prodigy P3, gears (effective 4.39 ratio), Banks headers and custom 5Star tunes have made the EX a great tow rig. I have not heard of anyone having rear frame issues on these rigs, but that doesn't mean it aint happening, I'll be checking mine out first chance I get.
I do use and highly recommend the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch, these pricey hitches work very well with long and heavy trailers.
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Yeah it is a toyhauler. I don't own it yet but borrowed one like it. He said filled with water and gas and 6 quads it should be right at 13k-14k. We used our dodge 3500 to pull it when our 5th wheel was down in the shop. Now with kid 5 we bought an excursion and are selling out 5th for a bumper pull. 120 gallon of fresh water puts it over the top. That's why we fill up real close to there we are heading.
Thanks for the input.
Thanks for the input.
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That's a lot of weight and it's actually over what the Ex is rated to tow. I'm sure a well setup 6.0 Ex can handle it but I would be looking at beefing up the receiver hitch before dragging 14k around with it. 10% to 15% tongue weight (target for bumper pull trailers) on a 14k lb TH will be 1,400 to 2,100 pounds, well over the hitch rating of 1,250 lbs. I'm at 1,440 lbs TW on our rig and am planning some upgrades to the receiver for better longevity. If that TH has a TW more towards the 15% range I would be looking to have a custom receiver fabbed up as well as that rear frame beef up kit.
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What kind of weight are we talking about here Chris? Is this 32' trailer a toyhauler? Have you pulled it yet and if so how did the EX do with it?
We pull a 41' TT that tips the scales at 11k lbs with our V-10 EX, modded X/B springs, rear Hellwig, Rancho adjustable shocks, prodigy P3, gears (effective 4.39 ratio), Banks headers and custom 5Star tunes have made the EX a great tow rig. I have not heard of anyone having rear frame issues on these rigs, but that doesn't mean it aint happening, I'll be checking mine out first chance I get.
I do use and highly recommend the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch, these pricey hitches work very well with long and heavy trailers.
We pull a 41' TT that tips the scales at 11k lbs with our V-10 EX, modded X/B springs, rear Hellwig, Rancho adjustable shocks, prodigy P3, gears (effective 4.39 ratio), Banks headers and custom 5Star tunes have made the EX a great tow rig. I have not heard of anyone having rear frame issues on these rigs, but that doesn't mean it aint happening, I'll be checking mine out first chance I get.
I do use and highly recommend the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch, these pricey hitches work very well with long and heavy trailers.
Nice to hear you are able to pull that much weight well with the mods. Somewhat on topic what do you think of your ranchos compared to the Bilsteins everyone loves? Im getting ready to rip into the rear suspension.
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I have never run the Bilsteins on this truck, so I really can't comment on their performance. Other than the fact that several guys here, who I have much respect for, all say that they are extremely pleased with their Bilsteins. I have had the Ranchos on for about 3 or 4 years and I do like them a lot, but I have no experience to make an even comparison the two.
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Brakes... I would look at upgrading the brakes in order to get that big load stopped. I have the Power Stop Extreme kit with drilled/slotted rotors, calipers and extreme pads.
The other item is to check/ upgrade your cooling system. You want to make sure your engine and transmission are cool enough.
The other item is to check/ upgrade your cooling system. You want to make sure your engine and transmission are cool enough.
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My biggest concern is safety, the EX is a relatively short wheelbase (compared to other 3/4 - 1 ton rated pick-ups) to be pulling that much weight.
On downhill turns so much weight is pushing against the short wb, imagine towing with a Toyota FJ or Jeep Wrangler.
The vehicle has the power to pull it, however; in windy conditions, downhill turning, and as Pat Rott mentioned the braking configuration.
Be safe.
On downhill turns so much weight is pushing against the short wb, imagine towing with a Toyota FJ or Jeep Wrangler.
The vehicle has the power to pull it, however; in windy conditions, downhill turning, and as Pat Rott mentioned the braking configuration.
Be safe.
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medac, My old 2500 was a quad cab short bed with a sliding 5th wheel hitch. My wheelbase was 138.7 so going to 137.1 in the Ex isnt that much shorter.
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight. I tow dry until I get real close to where I am going to stop. From Las Vegas there arent many hills to climb to get to camping and or sand dunes which I would have to take extra care on.
This is all good information. Thank you guys. I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
I looked at the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch but I did not see an option for lifted trucks. I will call them to see if they have a 6-8" drop hitch available. Looked like an amazing setup.
Thanks again
Chris
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight. I tow dry until I get real close to where I am going to stop. From Las Vegas there arent many hills to climb to get to camping and or sand dunes which I would have to take extra care on.
This is all good information. Thank you guys. I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
I looked at the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch but I did not see an option for lifted trucks. I will call them to see if they have a 6-8" drop hitch available. Looked like an amazing setup.
Thanks again
Chris
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medac, My old 2500 was a quad cab short bed with a sliding 5th wheel hitch. My wheelbase was 138.7 so going to 137.1 in the Ex isnt that much shorter.
There is a GIANT difference between vehicle reaction and handling of similar loads when pulled with a fifth wheel vs a receiver hitch and the 5er wins every time. Having the pin/tongue weigh over the rear axle vs 3' to 4' behind it makes a world of difference in how that weight affects the TV.
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight. (Closer to 1360lbs of liquids there.) I tow dry until I get real close to where I am going to stop. From Las Vegas there arent many hills to climb to get to camping and or sand dunes which I would have to take extra care on.
This is all good information. Thank you guys. I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
Something to seriously think about, 14K is a lot to drag behind an EX safely.
I looked at the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch but I did not see an option for lifted trucks. I will call them to see if they have a 6-8" drop hitch available. Looked like an amazing setup.
Thanks again
Chris
There is a GIANT difference between vehicle reaction and handling of similar loads when pulled with a fifth wheel vs a receiver hitch and the 5er wins every time. Having the pin/tongue weigh over the rear axle vs 3' to 4' behind it makes a world of difference in how that weight affects the TV.
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight. (Closer to 1360lbs of liquids there.) I tow dry until I get real close to where I am going to stop. From Las Vegas there arent many hills to climb to get to camping and or sand dunes which I would have to take extra care on.
This is all good information. Thank you guys. I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
Something to seriously think about, 14K is a lot to drag behind an EX safely.
I looked at the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch but I did not see an option for lifted trucks. I will call them to see if they have a 6-8" drop hitch available. Looked like an amazing setup.
Thanks again
Chris
Pro-Pride are nothing short of amazing, I've been in a couple of bad situations that stress tested my HA and it's performance was awesome. They are very pricey but bargains can be found on used units, found my HA on CL for $650. The Hensley has the option to have a drop/rise stinger in 2" increments from 0" to 8", I run a 4" in the drop position with my EX which is lifted 4" and on 35"s, the bottom of my receiver opening is at 23.25" unloaded. The Pro-Pride has an adjustable stinger available and runs a little less on new pricing, however I have read that both companies will price match to the lowest best deal on new units, Hensley offers refurbished hitches for even less. Is this TH a Weekend Warrior by chance? They were never shy about building monsterously heavy bumper pull THs.
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medac, My old 2500 was a quad cab short bed with a sliding 5th wheel hitch. My wheelbase was 138.7 so going to 137.1 in the Ex isnt that much shorter.
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight. I tow dry until I get real close to where I am going to stop. From Las Vegas there arent many hills to climb to get to camping and or sand dunes which I would have to take extra care on.
This is all good information. Thank you guys. I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
I looked at the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch but I did not see an option for lifted trucks. I will call them to see if they have a 6-8" drop hitch available. Looked like an amazing setup.
Thanks again
Chris
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight. I tow dry until I get real close to where I am going to stop. From Las Vegas there arent many hills to climb to get to camping and or sand dunes which I would have to take extra care on.
This is all good information. Thank you guys. I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
I looked at the Hensley Arrow WD Sway Elimination hitch but I did not see an option for lifted trucks. I will call them to see if they have a 6-8" drop hitch available. Looked like an amazing setup.
Thanks again
Chris
I see Tom (WE3ZS) has since added info.
Be safe.
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Yeah I know its going to be a new ball game being bumper pull. I hate getting rid of my 5th wheel but when you have 5 kids its either buy and EX and get a bumper pull or take two cars every camping trip. lol My mechanic told me with 5 kids I need a new hobby! HAHAHAHAHA.
Yes I am looking at the new Extreme Warrior (Weekend Warriors founder new company) and some of the classic WW 3200 trailers. Depends on trade in amounts to which route we take.
I am over cautious on most things. I just want this truck to fit our life style.
Is there a 14k hitch I can buy? I am going to spend the money for the Hansley Arrow for sure. Where we go its mostly flat and straight towing. Utah Gorge is the trickiest section for us and we can just go slow through there.
Thanks for all the info guys its good to have guys that know about Excursion and what they can do.
Chris
Yes I am looking at the new Extreme Warrior (Weekend Warriors founder new company) and some of the classic WW 3200 trailers. Depends on trade in amounts to which route we take.
I am over cautious on most things. I just want this truck to fit our life style.
Is there a 14k hitch I can buy? I am going to spend the money for the Hansley Arrow for sure. Where we go its mostly flat and straight towing. Utah Gorge is the trickiest section for us and we can just go slow through there.
Thanks for all the info guys its good to have guys that know about Excursion and what they can do.
Chris
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My wheelbase was 138.7 so going to 137.1 in the Ex isnt that much shorter.
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight.
I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
That 14K lbs is loaded with 120 gallons of water and 50 gallons of Gas. That should be close to 2000lbs in weight.
I might rethink the trailer size and downsize even more just to play it safe.
Hell no lol. I did and tried it and ended up with an F-450 to tow it. Its a Weekendwarrior Fsw 3200 and it weights in at 14k dry empty no water (Sticker said 11,000 empty and 13k full loaded as no where near that)
Could never get it to tow right or comfortably going down the road, always a white knuckle ride.
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Could never get it to tow right or comfortably going down the road, always a white knuckle ride.
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Yeah I know its going to be a new ball game being bumper pull. I hate getting rid of my 5th wheel but when you have 5 kids its either buy and EX and get a bumper pull or take two cars every camping trip. lol My mechanic told me with 5 kids I need a new hobby! HAHAHAHAHA.
Yes I am looking at the new Extreme Warrior (Weekend Warriors founder new company) and some of the classic WW 3200 trailers. Depends on trade in amounts to which route we take.
I am over cautious on most things. I just want this truck to fit our life style.
Is there a 14k hitch I can buy? I am going to spend the money for the Hansley Arrow for sure. Where we go its mostly flat and straight towing. Utah Gorge is the trickiest section for us and we can just go slow through there.
Thanks for all the info guys its good to have guys that know about Excursion and what they can do.
Chris
Yes I am looking at the new Extreme Warrior (Weekend Warriors founder new company) and some of the classic WW 3200 trailers. Depends on trade in amounts to which route we take.
I am over cautious on most things. I just want this truck to fit our life style.
Is there a 14k hitch I can buy? I am going to spend the money for the Hansley Arrow for sure. Where we go its mostly flat and straight towing. Utah Gorge is the trickiest section for us and we can just go slow through there.
Thanks for all the info guys its good to have guys that know about Excursion and what they can do.
Chris
Im pretty sure once i change gears out and change springs, shocks and add a sway bar it will be better. I don't think it will ever be the same as a large pickup though.
Good luck with your decision but i would be very careful putting your family in the tv with a 13000 to 14000 pound load.
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I think Mark's comments on wheelbase are spot on. I've had as much as 16,000 lbs behind my Excursion, and it wasn't nearly as easy to control as the Super Duty pickups I used to have. They had another 20" of wheelbase to work with, and that really helps.
A 5th wheel trailer has fundamentally different towing characteristics than a conventional trailer. There's a much shorter lever arm between the rear axle and the kingpin that the trailer has to apply torque to the tow vehicle. You don't need nearly as much wheelbase to control the same size trailer as a result.
A 5th wheel trailer has fundamentally different towing characteristics than a conventional trailer. There's a much shorter lever arm between the rear axle and the kingpin that the trailer has to apply torque to the tow vehicle. You don't need nearly as much wheelbase to control the same size trailer as a result.