Opinion needed for weight class registration
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Opinion needed for weight class registration
Just got a new to me 2004 CCLB 5.4 gasser f250 with a GVWR of 8800#
Bought it from my dealer.
Told them the title was wrong and its 8800 gvwr not 7000 gvwr like the title says. They said ok, we'll fix it and get you the correct weight class.
They charged me the $158 for class 3 and I just received a class 2 sticker in the mail with a registered weight of 7000#.
Do I just keep the class 2, get my refund for the difference, and carry on? I don't know what the empty weight is of the truck. Though its not going to be used commercially I may get stone/mulch from the quarry and don't want to be hassled. Nor do I want to be hassled by the DOT.
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Do I make them fix it and run the class I'm supposed to at double the cost of a class 2? Seems like a lot of money ($83 vs $158) to have an extra 1800# on the registration card.
What do you think? Thanks
Jason
Bought it from my dealer.
Told them the title was wrong and its 8800 gvwr not 7000 gvwr like the title says. They said ok, we'll fix it and get you the correct weight class.
They charged me the $158 for class 3 and I just received a class 2 sticker in the mail with a registered weight of 7000#.
Do I just keep the class 2, get my refund for the difference, and carry on? I don't know what the empty weight is of the truck. Though its not going to be used commercially I may get stone/mulch from the quarry and don't want to be hassled. Nor do I want to be hassled by the DOT.
Or
Do I make them fix it and run the class I'm supposed to at double the cost of a class 2? Seems like a lot of money ($83 vs $158) to have an extra 1800# on the registration card.
What do you think? Thanks
Jason
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If it were me I'd not worry about it if you're using it as a personal vehicle and not commercially. If you live in a commie state or where things like this are more scrutinized I'd make the paperwork right. The price difference is likely a lot less than a ticket for breaking the rules. My license bureau asked me when I registered my truck if I'd like it registered as a 1 ton but I declined YMMV.
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Thanks Quad Racer
Thats kinda what I was thinking, but I don't know how picky PA gets about that kind of stuff
I know I had to have the weight of my 1990 f350 verified because it came out of state. That involved hitting a certified scale empty and having an inspection mechanic verify the gvwr on the vin plate. Enough of a pain in the butt that I'm not paying for that again, its going to be their problem if I go that route.
Thats kinda what I was thinking, but I don't know how picky PA gets about that kind of stuff
I know I had to have the weight of my 1990 f350 verified because it came out of state. That involved hitting a certified scale empty and having an inspection mechanic verify the gvwr on the vin plate. Enough of a pain in the butt that I'm not paying for that again, its going to be their problem if I go that route.
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When I purchased my dually it was listed at 9000gvwr on the registration when it is 12,600 on the door. I need all of that number when fully loaded for the business in case of the weight police as they go by the registration number from what I hear in NY. Registering it at 9000gvwr saves money on registration costs so the dealers don't come back to someone saying it's $200+ to register.
People gripe and whine about the cost but then spend $3000-$4000 in mods and other junk every year. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't want to be fully loaded, get weighed, and then be over as the ticket would be more than the ~50 extra per year. I did reduce my dump trailer from the factory to allow it to be under the 26K combo saving me the CDL for now.
Personal vehicle, eh. I'd probably leave it.
People gripe and whine about the cost but then spend $3000-$4000 in mods and other junk every year. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't want to be fully loaded, get weighed, and then be over as the ticket would be more than the ~50 extra per year. I did reduce my dump trailer from the factory to allow it to be under the 26K combo saving me the CDL for now.
Personal vehicle, eh. I'd probably leave it.
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I live in Pa and have had two different explanations of the weight class rule:
The first is the weight class sticker is based on the truck GVWR that is on the door jamb, so you would need a class 4A. I have my 2014 F350 dually registered Class 5 because my GVWR is 14,000lbs.
The second is the weight class sticker is based on the total weight of your truck and whatever you might be towing, Ford says my CGVWR is 30,500 so I would need a class 10 sticker which is well over $400 a year. I am keeping it at class 5 until I have an exact answer. I do know that if you have a class 2 sticker which I believe is good up to 7000lbs, and your truck weighs 8000lbs you will be fined IF you are ever pulled over and weighed.
The first is the weight class sticker is based on the truck GVWR that is on the door jamb, so you would need a class 4A. I have my 2014 F350 dually registered Class 5 because my GVWR is 14,000lbs.
The second is the weight class sticker is based on the total weight of your truck and whatever you might be towing, Ford says my CGVWR is 30,500 so I would need a class 10 sticker which is well over $400 a year. I am keeping it at class 5 until I have an exact answer. I do know that if you have a class 2 sticker which I believe is good up to 7000lbs, and your truck weighs 8000lbs you will be fined IF you are ever pulled over and weighed.
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Notice how much the registration fees are going up, holy crap. $661 for class 10, I don't think so.
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I see in your first post your GVWR is 8800lbs, so class 3 is good, just make sure the door jamb sticker agrees with that and that your owners card has the same numbers as the door jamb sticker, yes they will look. In PA always make sure your paperwork is up to date and agrees with what is on the door jamb. I got pulled over for speeding last month and the officer checked everything, inspection sticker weight sticker and asked me to open the door to look at my door jamb sticker and I complied because I know all my paperwork is good, I couldn't imagine what the fines would be if something was wrong. I still got a ticket for speeding, don't tell my wife.
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Those reg fees are a hidden tax on all of us. Its passed on in the price of everything that gets trucked, including our trucks being carried to the dealers (destination charge). What do we ever buy that hasn't seen the inside of a truck at some point?
Back on point, you can register your truck for any class lower than its capability if that's how you plan to use it. If you are going to load it up though, you are supposed to have the proper registration and can be ticketed (and towed in NY) for being overweight based on your reg.
Back on point, you can register your truck for any class lower than its capability if that's how you plan to use it. If you are going to load it up though, you are supposed to have the proper registration and can be ticketed (and towed in NY) for being overweight based on your reg.
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There is another problem when you register in excess of 10k pounds. In Florida, and I suspect elsewhere, there is no lemon law protection for vehicles registered in excess of 10k pounds, even if they only weigh 9k pounds.
Those reg fees are a hidden tax on all of us. Its passed on in the price of everything that gets trucked, including our trucks being carried to the dealers (destination charge). What do we ever buy that hasn't seen the inside of a truck at some point?
Back on point, you can register your truck for any class lower than its capability if that's how you plan to use it. If you are going to load it up though, you are supposed to have the proper registration and can be ticketed (and towed in NY) for being overweight based on your reg.
Back on point, you can register your truck for any class lower than its capability if that's how you plan to use it. If you are going to load it up though, you are supposed to have the proper registration and can be ticketed (and towed in NY) for being overweight based on your reg.
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PA is getting as crazy as some of the western states. Though most of them don't even know that trailer inspections exist I know my class 4A jumped last year. My new 5'er is a grey area at 13465 with the truck at 14k. My new to me dump trailer is 9990. My old goose was 14k, the dump keeps me under what DOT is looking at, and is personal use only, combo is 23990. Done worrying about PA's BS for now. The dump has a nice roll tarp on it and is covered if loaded, I'm under 10k towing, personal use, and under 26K combo. DOT can bite me. Have gotten about 2 (PA)inspections done on trailers in the 10 years I've had them. I monitor my stuff, and it's a joke.
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Ive never thought about this until your post. My gvwr on my 250 says 10,000. Makes sense now why my reg fees are higher than both my Co workers both of their trucks are 8,800. I still don't understand fords system they both have factory helper springs and i don't.
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Thanks everyone
I'm having them fix it. I don't know what unladen weight is (hoping its under 7k but I'll have to hit a scale to know for sure)
I specifically told them the title was wrong when I purchased the truck, but they didnt know they needed a pa form mv-41 to correct the title. I've provided them the correct info and they will be fixing it. If there's any cost involved its going to be their baby, especially since I already paid the correct fees and told them before hand.
My f350 was class 4b and I'll be going to the class 3. I'll be happy to save @ $60 a year on registration (plus we are getting rid of 3 vehicles and replacing with this one, so that'll be nice on the driveway situation).
I'm having them fix it. I don't know what unladen weight is (hoping its under 7k but I'll have to hit a scale to know for sure)
I specifically told them the title was wrong when I purchased the truck, but they didnt know they needed a pa form mv-41 to correct the title. I've provided them the correct info and they will be fixing it. If there's any cost involved its going to be their baby, especially since I already paid the correct fees and told them before hand.
My f350 was class 4b and I'll be going to the class 3. I'll be happy to save @ $60 a year on registration (plus we are getting rid of 3 vehicles and replacing with this one, so that'll be nice on the driveway situation).
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If the truck is your DD and will be hauling air most days, and you do not use it for commerce, register it for the unladen weight. If I remember PA's definition of unladen weight, it includes a full tank of fuel and all the passengers you can carry. PA will not hassle you, generally. My truck is registered weight class 2.