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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 07:38 PM
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'54 getting too loose - suggestions?

Bump steer has been getting worse. I suspected the rear hangers were getting sloppy so I crawled under it today and found this. So who has the best Y shackle? I need to stay with stock length because of the bent spring. Stay with cast or go to fabricated?

 
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 08:47 PM
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Yowza!! That must have made a lot of noise, too!


 
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 09:06 PM
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The ones I removed from the frame I'm working on now were almost that bad and would have ended up the same if it had been driven much longer.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 09:43 PM
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Did you bend the spring for ride height , or did it happen when the shackle broke? There should be lots of them on here . Lots of people have installed irs .
 
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 10:29 PM
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Did you bend the spring for ride height , or did it happen when the shackle broke? There should be lots of them on here . Lots of people have installed irs .
The PO bent the springs. I like the rid height. This would have turned out much worse except I never had the oem cross members for the bed so I fabricated some from 0.125 wall 1.5x2.5 tubing and made the mounting plates very stout. That's what it is up against at the top.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2015 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 56panelford
The ones I removed from the frame I'm working on now were almost that bad and would have ended up the same if it had been driven much longer.
That's why I'm not looking for an old take-off. But mid-fifty catalog says their cast Y hanger (pg 145, pn 2812) is not as nice as oem and suggest their extended hanger but I'm concerned my bent spring will not work with the extended hanger.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 07:21 AM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1942-1956-Ford-Truck-100-rear-spring-hanger-and-pins-FoMoCo-21C-5776-/321652218673?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ae3f75b31&vxp=mtr
 
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 07:27 AM
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Just unbelievable that extreme wear was not spotted and corrected when someone went to the effort to clean and make that mechanism pretty.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 08:31 AM
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Those bent springs must ride worse than, for lack of better description, a truck. Not surprised the hanger broke, most likely will break any you use. There are much better ways to lower the rear than by heating the springs, that's hillbilly engineering.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 01:21 PM
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Personally, I would not put it back together with those bent springs.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 04:12 PM
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If you do decide to use take-off's ... I have some I would send you. I'll try to find them and take a pic to see what condition they are in.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 10:32 AM
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Just unbelievable that extreme wear was not spotted and corrected when someone went to the effort to clean and make that mechanism pretty.
There was only surface rust and very little pitting anywhere on them when I got it and both sides look about the same, maybe 1/8 - 3/16" thick at this part of the shackle. I've no previous experience with this part so I had no idea how thick they should be. They only carry about 400 lbs. static, say 800 lbs. dynamic load.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 10:51 AM
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There was only surface rust and very little pitting anywhere on them when I got it and both sides look about the same, maybe 1/8 - 3/16" thick at this part of the shackle. I've no previous experience with this part so I had no idea how thick they should be. They only carry about 400 lbs. static, say 800 lbs. dynamic load.
The problem is not with the hanger, or the static loads, the heated and bent springs are putting severe stress/beating on the hangers in directions they were not designed to handle. The OEM spring hangers seldom break, even after 60 years, but I'll bet ANY that you replace yours with will likely break again in short order. Bite the bullet and replace at least the main leafs with unbent ones. You can replace the main leaf with reversed eye ones, move the hanger to the top of the frame, reverse the shackle to safely drop the rear about 4" from stock. replacing the hangers without replacing the springs is just putting a bandaid on a broken leg.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 11:14 AM
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Those bent springs must ride worse than, for lack of better description, a truck. Not surprised the hanger broke, most likely will break any you use. There are much better ways to lower the rear than by heating the springs, that's hillbilly engineering.
I appreciate your comments but us hillbillies are just as vain as yous city slickers but we can't afford 4 links and air bags so we do what we gota do. Just kidding, the PO bent the springs (and took all but 3 leaves out of it) so I've no skin in the game but I do have a low budget project just the same. But I don't see why bending the end of the spring puts any additional load on the shackle. Would you mind explaining that one?

And why would bending the spring make the ride worse? Taking the temper out of a short section will change the K factor a bit but taking over half of the leafs out does too. Yes, new reverse eye springs and adjustable hangers and shackles would be nice but also cost about a grand.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 11:43 AM
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The problem is not with the hanger, or the static loads, the heated and bent springs are putting severe stress/beating on the hangers in directions they were not designed to handle. The OEM spring hangers seldom break, even after 60 years, but I'll bet ANY that you replace yours with will likely break again in short order. Bite the bullet and replace at least the main leafs with unbent ones. You can replace the main leaf with reversed eye ones, move the hanger to the top of the frame, reverse the shackle to safely drop the rear about 4" from stock. replacing the hangers without replacing the springs is just putting a bandaid on a broken leg.
I'm really surprised to here you suggest reversing the hanger. That is definitely "putting severe stress/beating on the hangers in directions they were not designed to handle".
 
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