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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 01:06 PM
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OK, a trouble code, now thats more like it. Has the CEL been flashing when it was acting out????, Check #2 plug wires for proper fit, all the way back to the coilpack.
If you don't find anything, perform a plug, wire & coilpack "wet down" test with a spray bottle of water after dark, looking for arcs & sparks, or a change in idle quality, or speed. If no joy, remove #2 spark plug & inspect that its gap is in spec & for internal & external ceramic insulator faults, like hairline cracks, chips, carbon tracking, carbon, or oil fouling & let us know what you find.

Just what were we supposed to be listening for on the video??? All I could hear was a sorta buzzing sound when the engine was reved, sounded like a noisy muffler to my ear. Could see the speed-o but not what the Tach or CEL were doing.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 01:32 PM
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OK, a trouble code, now thats more like it. Has the CEL been flashing when it was acting out????, Check #2 plug wires for proper fit, all the way back to the coilpack.
If you don't find anything, perform a plug, wire & coilpack "wet down" test with a spray bottle of water after dark, looking for arcs & sparks, or a change in idle quality, or speed. If no joy, remove #2 spark plug & inspect that its gap is in spec & for internal & external ceramic insulator faults, like hairline cracks, chips, carbon tracking, carbon, or oil fouling & let us know what you find.

Just what were we supposed to be listening for on the video??? All I could hear was a sorta buzzing sound when the engine was reved, sounded like a noisy muffler to my ear. Could see the speed-o but not what the Tach or CEL were doing.
No flashing cel, and this ranger doesn't have a tach. The p0302 is gone now, and I also saw a p2000 code and that one disappeared too.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 05:55 PM
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Perform the wet down test on All plug wires after dark, paying close attention to #2.

I don't know how much you've de-tuned the exhaust by removing the cat converter & what else has been done!!!
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pawpaw
Perform the wet down test on All plug wires after dark, paying close attention to #2.

I don't know how much you've de-tuned the exhaust by removing the cat converter & what else has been done!!!
Lol, it was happening before exhaust work was done.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 06:00 PM
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Yup I remember reading that in a previous post. Why did you remove the cat???
Did the problem come about suddenly after some event???
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 06:06 PM
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Yup I remember reading that in a previous post. Why did you remove the cat???
Did the problem come about suddenly after some event???
Been happening since I bought it a few months back. Removed the cat because it was leaking.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 07:56 PM
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OK, so had the cat been overheated & melted a hole in it???? If so, then maybe also have a listen to the #2 fuel injector & have your scantool take a look at & post up the long & short term fuel trim numbers.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 09:07 PM
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Changed the plugs, wires, and pcv no luck.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 10:49 PM
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Probably a good idea to have changed the PCV valve.
What replacement plugs & wires did you use??? Our "waste spark" ignition system is kinda persnickety about its plugs & wires, preferring the Motorcraft iridium enhanced fine wire center electrode, with platinum pad sidewire design plugs & Motorcraft wires, both of which are designed to take the Double work load the waste spark ignition puts on them.
Right now the only clues we have are the two trouble codes. The P0302 says computer has detected a cyl 2 misfire & the P2000 suggests the computer is unhappy that the n2o trap is below threshold/that the cat converter is missing.
SO, concentrate your trouble shooting around cyl 2 spark plugs, plug wires, coil packs, fuel injector & maybe if your scantool can do it, perform a cyl balance test along with a fuel trim test & post up the numbers.
Any idea what caused the cat converter to leak???
 
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pawpaw
Probably a good idea to have changed the PCV valve.
What replacement plugs & wires did you use??? Our "waste spark" ignition system is kinda persnickety about its plugs & wires, preferring the Motorcraft iridium enhanced fine wire center electrode, with platinum pad sidewire design plugs & Motorcraft wires, both of which are designed to take the Double work load the waste spark ignition puts on them.
Right now the only clues we have are the two trouble codes. The P0302 says computer has detected a cyl 2 misfire & the P2000 suggests the computer is unhappy that the n2o trap is below threshold/that the cat converter is missing.
SO, concentrate your trouble shooting around cyl 2 spark plugs, plug wires, coil packs, fuel injector & maybe if your scantool can do it, perform a cyl balance test along with a fuel trim test & post up the numbers.
Any idea what caused the cat converter to leak???
I used BWD wires and NGK V-Power plugs. The cylinder 2 plug really didn't look bad, intake manifold side plug on cylinder 4 looked pretty white, we're checking the fuel pressure tomorrow. But now I've changed all coil packs, wires, and plugs. I don't have any special scantool. I've got the torque app on my phone so I can look at fuel trims, idk about cylinder balance.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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Not familiar with BWD plug wires, but if you bought the specified ones for your engine they may be ok over time, as BWD = Borg Warner = an OEM mfrg of parts for a number of vehicle mfgrs, so they are capable of making a quality product that meets Fords specs.
The "V" power design isn't the spark plug NGK specifies for your engine. Their fine wire iridium, or platinum "TT" plug is what they specify & is closer to the design Ford had in mind, but I'm not familiar with either plug design heat range & if they'll meet Fords spec for your engine, how they'll perform, nor how long they would last in your waste spark ignition, that works its plugs & wires Twice as hard, as they're fired on Every rotation of the crankshaft, once on the power stroke & again on the exhaust stroke (waste spark).
The V plug has more mass around the ignition point, so likely quenches the spark kernel more than their fine wire TT design would & it not being made of as high a temp tolerant material, it'll likely suffer faster spark gap erosion in your waste spark ignition & thus be worn out & misfiring in 15-20K miles. Best for us to use whats specified for our engines.
Good idea to have a look at fuel pressure, its supposed to be 64 +/-8 psi.
If you can read fuel trim, post up the stft & ltft & O2 sensor readings so we can begin to see whats going on with fuel trim.

Are you running torque through an ELM327 to your phone????
 
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pawpaw
Not familiar with BWD plug wires, but if you bought the specified ones for your engine they may be ok over time, as BWD = Borg Warner = an OEM mfrg of parts for a number of vehicle mfgrs, so they are capable of making a quality product that meets Fords specs.
The "V" power design isn't the spark plug NGK specifies for your engine. Their fine wire iridium, or platinum "TT" plug is what they specify & is closer to the design Ford had in mind, but I'm not familiar with either plug design heat range & if they'll meet Fords spec for your engine, how they'll perform, nor how long they would last in your waste spark ignition, that works its plugs & wires Twice as hard, as they're fired on Every rotation of the crankshaft, once on the power stroke & again on the exhaust stroke (waste spark).
The V plug has more mass around the ignition point, so likely quenches the spark kernel more than their fine wire TT design would & it not being made of as high a temp tolerant material, it'll likely suffer faster spark gap erosion in your waste spark ignition & thus be worn out & misfiring in 15-20K miles. Best for us to use whats specified for our engines.
Good idea to have a look at fuel pressure, its supposed to be 64 +/-8 psi.
If you can read fuel trim, post up the stft & ltft & O2 sensor readings so we can begin to see whats going on with fuel trim.

Are you running torque through an ELM327 to your phone????
Yes that is how I am running it. And I work at O'Reilly so I bought the spark plugs that fit it.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 02:54 PM
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Woooops, by bad, looks like by mistake I had clicked on & was looking at the Denso search result, instead of NGK. Anyway NGK does indeed include the "V" power plug in the listings for your engine here http://ngksparkplugs.com/part_finder...uv/results.asp .
However, looking down the road, they don't offer at least double platinum, or iridium/platinum design for Both electrodes, that are specified by Ford & are needed for our waste spark ignition to keep spark gap erosion in check.
The NGK lX design comes close to being the latest mechanical configuration Ford specifies But even the lX design doesn't offer platinum on its ground wire & we need that, as half of our plugs get a reverse polarity spark, which initiates from the ground wire to the center electrode, while the other half of our plugs get a normal polarity spark, that emanates from the center electrode to the ground wire, so Both electrodes need iridium & platinum, or at least platinum on Both electrodes, to slow spark gap erosion over time.
Anyway, back to the cyl 2 misfire. Did you check the new plug wires end to end resistance & the spark plugs resistance, to make sure they're within Fords specs, so that the ignition system inductance, capacitance & resistance load values are to spec, so that its making good spark on time???? Just because parts are new, doesn't automatically earn them a pass, I've seen plenty of faulty brand new parts right out of the box.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 05:44 PM
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Fuel pressure tested around 60 psi even while it was messing up.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2015 | 07:52 PM
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OK, good feedback on the fuel pressure & it looks ok. Did you perform a pump delivery rate over time while you had the pressure gauge hooked up, if so post that number too.
 
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