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Old 01-07-2015, 11:59 AM
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Too much wheel spin=no traction

I seem to be having a issue on take off with my new Super Duty, it has the michelin atx2 tires than come on these trucks. On any hill or grade on take off she just spins and traction control flashes on dash, what the heck? Do I need to pull out the 4x4 switch to engage the e-locker so this thing will move? Seems crazy to have to put her into 4wheel when there is only a inch of snow on the ground...
My 6.0 did this sort of due to all the torque it had, but that had those crap Contitracs on it till I swapped them for BFG at..

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my truck is horrible in the snow as well. It has an open rear end. I have good tires but not enough weight in the back to get the grip to get this heavy pig moving. once it is moving it goes thru snow very well. If you have the locker I would use that all the time in the winter.
 
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Old 01-07-2015, 12:31 PM
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First thing I do is shut off the traction control. It cuts back on power if the wheels spin. I'd rather take care of that function myself with the gas pedal. I also got rid of the Generals that came on my truck new and put Firestone Transforce AT's on. Definitely better than the highway type generals but not so bad as to create road noise or howling on bare roads.
 
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Old 01-07-2015, 01:35 PM
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My 2wd with limited slip was doing that in wet grass every time with the factory Pirelli Scorpion highway tires and really annoying me. (how embarrasing!)

I switched to Cooper Discoverer ATP's and the issue disappeared.
 
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Old 01-07-2015, 04:11 PM
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Have the same issue with the stock Michelin LTX 2 tires... Engaging the e-locker helps a little but not much unless you have one tire on bare ground.
 
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Old 01-07-2015, 05:14 PM
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Tried the e-locker tonight on my way home...also got pisted and threw 300lbs. in the bed...no change. I think these tires must suck
 
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Old 01-07-2015, 06:49 PM
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I haven't had trouble with my truck in the snow out here in Colorado. The 6.2 has plenty of low end torque, so you have to ease into it, but the stock tires seem to do fine for me. I wish you luck in finding a solution to your troubles.
 
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I saw that you have a plow. Is it hooked up while you are out driving? If it is, you need to counter the weight of the plow with weight right on the rear axle. I used to have to put about 8 or 9 70lb tubes of sand on my plow truck to be ok out in the snow. I built a box in the bed to hold the tube sand to keep it from flying up into the cab in case of the oh shizz! moment.

Right now I have 4 bags and a cap and I could probably put another bag back there to feel better
 
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:43 PM
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I saw that you have a plow. Is it hooked up while you are out driving? If it is, you need to counter the weight of the plow with weight right on the rear axle. I used to have to put about 8 or 9 70lb tubes of sand on my plow truck to be ok out in the snow. I built a box in the bed to hold the tube sand to keep it from flying up into the cab in case of the oh shizz! moment.

Right now I have 4 bags and a cap and I could probably put another bag back there to feel better
That's a good catch noticing the plow. Having that big heavy plow hanging way out front will definitely remove weight from the rear axle. If I remember correctly from a few years ago when I was looking at plows for my church, the plow manufacturer may even provide you with a guide of how much ballast you should have based on the plow you are using and the vehicle. The application that I was looking at was only a 7'6" lightweight plow, and it recommended ~400 lbs of ballast.
 
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Had this same problem today in my thawing backyard. It has been under 20 for 4 days or so today jumped to 40 degrees. My OEM 275/65/20 Michelin's just got caked in mud. I didn't even have to be accelerating forward or backward and it was sliding downhill. I tore up the yard pretty good, then gave up and went downhill and out the backside of the property. Tires cleaned out very fast on pavement. Tire pressure too high? Or do these just suck on anything but pavement?
 
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I`ve got the BFG TIRES that may have come with the fx4 package. Even with my near 1000 lb plow on the front it isn`t to bad if you ease in to it. No problem at all with out the plow on.
 
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I have the mich at2 and.love.them. they are almost bald and are still going strong for.me plowing and driving through the snow. I have a 8' western plow and I believe ballast needed was 800 lbs. I run half ton of sand in the bed.
 
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I have the BFG AT's(the good ones, not the one's the factory puts on)and my tires still break loose easier than on my F150. I think it's a combination of the 4.30 gears and higher torque. I really have to feather the throttle on take offs.
 
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Old 01-11-2015, 08:00 PM
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Well at least on the 20" Lariat wheels it looks like in 2015 Ford changed to Toyo Open Country AT II's. I am thinking of changing to Duratacs, Cooper AT/3's or the Toyo's. Kind of a shame at 9900 miles.
 
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An inch of snow? I thought you were talking about dry pave.. Holy crap a super duty won't go anywhere in 2wd with any snow under the tires. I have dedicated winter tires and with less than 1000 lbs in the bed I just have to drive like grandpa..Usually I carry 4-6k lbs of sand in my sander. With a 600lb plow on the front it still has a hard time on hills sometime. Warm snow is worse 30 deg and up. Throw as much weight in back as you can and go easy on the pedal.
 


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