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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 09:56 AM
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Electric fuel pump

Guys, is it possible for an electric fuel pump to be insufficient to power my engine?

Some back ground about what's going on. 85 F250 with a 460 BBF with a C6 transmission 4x4. It has a Holley 650CFM carb as well. The truck runs and drives great, however, (going up hills mostly) it will cut out and die from time to time. It has a clear fuel filter on it and a new non see through filter as well. The clear is clean. It also has an electric fuel pump (6-8psi).

When it dies, the clear filter looks empty, but the truck always starts back up. So is it possible that this fuel pump is too small for a 460? Or what else could be happening?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 09:59 AM
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Where is the fuel pump located? Does this truck have a modified exhaust? It is possible(have had it happen to me) that the fuel line is too close to an exhaust pipe underneath. This problem will be aggravated if the pump is up front sucking the fuel forward.

I have also seen people use lots of rubber fuel line when the modify the fuel system, and it can get soft and suck shut restricting the fuel flow.

The factory ran the exhaust on the pass side, and the fuel lines on the driver's side. They also had a special system on the 460 trucks to eliminate this problem.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:02 AM
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Yeah, possible vapor lock... Ford had something called the Hot Fuel Handling package to deal with this...
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:04 AM
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It's metal line up to the front of the oil pan then it's about 3 inches of rubber, then fuel pump, then about a foot of rubber again to the filter and carb. As for the exhaust being close, with it being metal line in that area, would that still cause an issue?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:08 AM
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Yes, being near the exhaust can cause a problem. If you could put some sort of shield between the line and the exhaust, you could see if the problem went away. On the truck I had I ended up re-routing the line on the outside of the frame and the problem went away.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:13 AM
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Ok I'll see how close it is and shield around it. If it works, thank you. If not, I'll be back. Haha
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:24 AM
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Ok so I looked and there's a good 3 inches between fuel line and exhaust. Would that be too close?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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I should also inform you that the truck originally had a 351W in it. Not the 460.
 
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Originally Posted by JJray
Ok so I looked and there's a good 3 inches between fuel line and exhaust. Would that be too close?
In my experience yes it was too close. I will have to admit though, mine only konked out when I got in town and it didn't have much air flow under the truck.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 05:51 PM
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Mines hit or miss. So far I haven't noticed a pattern other than going up hills at a slower speed. However this morning, it would die on flat ground at city speeds.
 
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Originally Posted by JJray
Mines hit or miss. So far I haven't noticed a pattern other than going up hills at a slower speed. However this morning, it would die on flat ground at city speeds.
Sounds about right. Low airflow lets it heat up quicker around the exhaust.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 06:28 PM
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I'm surprised no one even asked this... What brand/model electric fuel pump? Doesn't matter what the pressure is if it doesn't flow enough gas to keep up with the usage.

You mentioned that your fuel pump is more or less in the engine bay. There are 2 types of fuel pumps.. ones that push fuel, and ones that suck fuel. The cheaper fuel pumps push fuel so if there is not a steady supply of fuel right at the fuel pump, it will starve, which also in turn could damage the fuel pump. You can find fuel pumps that suck the fuel, but they are expensive.

You need to move that fuel pump at or right near the tank. Will definitely help keep a constant supply of fuel to your engine.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 06:36 PM
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It's a Mr gasket brand. It was on the truck when I got it so I don't know the model but that problem (pump so far from the tank) was in my head but I didn't think that would matter.. that would explain why the clear filter looks empty most of the time.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JJray
It's a Mr gasket brand. It was on the truck when I got it so I don't know the model but that problem (pump so far from the tank) was in my head but I didn't think that would matter.. that would explain why the clear filter looks empty most of the time.
You got it! It definitely does matter. Do a little research and you'll see that most everyone ends up making that exact same mistake.

I slept at a Holiday Inn Express once.. Actually I've been doing a lot of research on electric fuel pumps to replace my mechanical one.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 07:23 PM
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It might also be that having 2 fuel filters is too restrictive.
 
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