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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 08:23 AM
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I thought that the 390 and larger had sharper angles and not the rounded off look?







I have a set of 360 valve covers on the shelf that could use a good home.
You don' t have the 360 anymore?
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 08:25 AM
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'Same' as in fitment, not appearance.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jowilker
Been an interesting read going down the list. Don't matter if it's little block, or gazallion block, if it doesn't have the FE 5 bolt hole pattern you can't use them.

Edsel was the name of Henry's only child (he died in 1943), the Edsel car was introduced in 58 along with the FE engines (Ford: 332 & 352; Edsel 361 - 1958 only).
FoMoCo never referred to V8's as small blocks or big blocks, that's a GM thing.

There are TWO different types of FE valve covers.

1958/64 FE engines were only installed in cars, have rounded valve covers without holes in them for smog valve/oil caps. Have an oil fill tube on the right (passenger) side.

1965/76 FE engines have pent roofed shaped valve covers with holes in them for smog valve/oilcaps, there is no oil fill tube.

Sadly, Edsel is usually only remembered for the car he had nothing to do with. Edsel was the president of Ford Motor Co. from 1920 till the day he died.

In 1922, Edsel urged Henry to buy the bankrupt Lincoln Motor Co., which Henry did for 8 million dollars.

Lincoln was founded in 1916 by Henry Martyn Leland to build Liberty V12 aircraft engines for the war effort, he named the company after his favorite president. Leland was the formerly prez/chief engineer of Cadillac. The Lincoln car was introduced in 1921, it was a engineering marvel but a styling disaster, Lincoln soon went bankrupt.

btw: Henry...after arguing with his financial backers...left the 2nd company he founded (in 1902 - The Henry Ford Co.) without a single car being built. The finance men then hired Henry Martyn Leland (formerly of Colt's Pat'd Firearms Manufacturing Co. & Brown & Sharpe), who owned Leland & Falcouner, a large Detroit machine shop...as president and chief engineer.

The first thing that Leland did was to rename the company after the French explorer that founded Detroit .. Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac. The Cadillac Motor Car Co. was born!
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
FoMoCo never referred to V8's as small blocks or big blocks, that's a GM thing.

There are TWO different types of FE valve covers.

1958/64 FE engines were only installed in cars, have rounded valve covers without holes in them for smog valve/oil caps. Have an oil fill tube on the right (passenger) side.

1965/76 FE engines have pent roofed shaped valve covers with holes in them for smog valve/oilcaps, there is no oil fill tube.
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HIO Silver
Good point about references of the era since the 429/460 weren't around when the FE came to light. Nowadays tho it's SBFs (Windsors), FEs, BBFs (429/460 or 385-series).
I used to think the 221-351W engines were all 'Windsors' but discovered this was not correct. The 221, (the short-lived 255), 260, 289, 302, and 351W engines are commonly called 'Windsors' but, only the 351W was actually produced at the Windsor foundry. The 221-302s were actually cast at the Cleveland foundry. The small Ford engines (221-302) were referenced as the 90-degree V-family or, the Fairlane V-8.

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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraranger
I used to think the 221-351W engines were all 'Windsors' but discovered this was not correct. The 221, (the short-lived 255), 260, 289, 302, and 351W engines are commonly called 'Windsors' but, only the 351W was actually produced at the Windsor foundry. The 221-302s were actually cast at the Cleveland foundry. The small Ford engines (221-302) were referenced as the 90-degree V-family or, the Fairlane V-8.

The Ford 289 and 302 Engine Block
Another nuance I suppose... Windsor by design but not by foundry.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 06:41 PM
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As usual you are all wise and informative Bill. I get a kick outta your informative stories. The only things you left out is Edsel Ford is who's responsible for the end of the Model T and Mercurys. Henry wanted to keep building them as they were. Edsel recognized they needed the next generation of Fords. Then He knew Ford needed something in the middle between the Fords and Lincolns. He fought and fought and fought his dad on this. Just as he had done over the Model T. Edsel was more a designer than anything else. Edsel finally won over Henry. But Henry put a stipulation on Edsel......"It has to look like a Ford!". And the Mercury was born. And soon these fights took their toll on Edsel. He died. Young.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDawnof68
You don' t have the 360 anymore?
No.

It was in the donor truck that I bought for the cab, box and sheet metal. The valve covers were not on the motor when I bought it. Valves were thick with rust, carb was 1/2 torn apart and black with soot like it had caught fire. Bought the donor for $500, did the body swap and sold the scrap for $200.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
As usual you are all wise and informative Bill. I get a kick outta your informative stories. The only things you left out is Edsel Ford is who's responsible for the end of the Model T and Mercurys. Henry wanted to keep building them as they were. Edsel recognized they needed the next generation of Fords. Then He knew Ford needed something in the middle between the Fords and Lincolns. He fought and fought and fought his dad on this. Just as he had done over the Model T. Edsel was more a designer than anything else. Edsel finally won over Henry. But Henry put a stipulation on Edsel......"It has to look like a Ford!". And the Mercury was born. And soon these fights took their toll on Edsel. He died. Young.
I was aware that Edsel finally convinced his stubborn and overbearing father to discontinue the Model T and that he was the father of the Mercury.

Edsel was also the father of the Lincoln Zephyr and Lincoln Continental.

Zephyr based on John Tjaarda's L'Atlantique, a unit body design study he built while an engineer at Briggs Body Co., FoMoCo's major body supplier.

L'Atlantique featured a rear mounted flattie. Edsel wanted the flattie up front, changed the front end, the grille was inspired by the spray of a boat's bow speeding thru the water.

L'Atlantique also spawned the rear engined Czech Tatra, which Dr. Ferry Porsche & Der Fuehrer based the VW off of.

For further information:

Edsel Ford and E.T Gregorie - The Remarkable Design Team and Their Classic Fords of the 1930s and 1940s.

Author: Henry Dominguez - Published by The Society of Automotive Engineers Inc. / ISBN: 0-7680-0400-4
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Same author and publisher:

EDSEL - The Story of Henry's Forgotten Son / ISBN: 0-7680-0920-0

Dominguez has also written three books on FoMoCo Dealerships.
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DISASTER IN DEARBORN - The Story of the Edsel

Author Thomas F. Bonsall - Published by Stanford University Press / ISBN: 0-8047-4654--0
 
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