Yep, the height difference is a factor. Maybe a longer lanyard would help compensate.

 

Thanks for the advice!!!!!! It dont look to good for me ) What really sucks is that he had bald 33" inch tires, I GAVE him the set of 35" tires yesturday that have about 1/2 tread left and were taking up space in my garage..GRRRRR. I was thinking my truck was stronger, and the more grip he had, he couldnt spin his wheels and I would break his truck and win. I guess I'm wrong. Is the concensis that I should hook a long nylon strap low on my truck and pull him on pavement? I just didnt want to tear up my truck. The good news is, about the whole underneath of my truck has been replaced in the last few years, the bad news is, I may be doing it again What you guy's have written so far makes since to me, power dont mean much on dirt, just digging holes. I told him I didnt need weight, mayby I was wrong. Thanks for all the info!!!

 

well, the way im looking at it, Riderman seems to have the vehicle advantage- his coworkers truck is pretty much stock, with 35" tires... 35inch tires take ALOT more power to turn than the stock tires. Riderman seems to have a beefy setup- a 390 thats modified pretty good, a 4 speed, ---4.10---- gears- with 33" all terrains....

and the issue of the coworkers truck being lifted and pulling upwards on Ridermans truck wouldnt bother me- older ford 250s sit pretty high to begin with, and the coworkers truck isnt all that much taller

 

Be safe , pullers, you know what can happen when a line with that kind of tension in ot snaps. Make sure the line, chain, or whatever you pull with is ip to the task.. and don't bust your trucks... Good luck!!

 

An automatic has the advantage over a stick, there is no getting around that. But you have a weight advantage on his truck.What ever weight he puts in you put in the same or more. And if your truck is a granny gear four speed dont use first and low range, you'll be done in the first second. Use granny gear and high range or second in low range. Lost a lot of pulls till I got to know my truck 76 250 360 w/ a granny gear four speed 4.10 and headers, w 12.50 / 33's. I took four parking lot concrete parking bumbers for weight in my truck. and make sure the chain or strap that you use is tight before you start. And dont worry your dads pride and joy wont disappoint you or him. And just for fun drag him backwards just as far as you can, it ads insult to injury....... And good luck, but you dont need it.

 

well people are saying you have him beat but you never said what gears the other guy has you say you have 4.10's. people who pull alot dont let ya know what gear ratio they have in thier rear. i had a guy who wanted to hook up for the longest time i never would he kept saying he had 4.10's i found out what he really had and it wont no 4.10 it was a 5.13. what i use when i hook up to people is a 90,000 lbs cable if that thing ever breaks itll be a cold day in hell

 

dagwood41

NOW I feel better! Thanks for the info. I have another question. I just remembered I replaced the 4:10 front and rear with 3:73's years ago when Dad scattered the rear end. A buddy of mine had these gears and gave them to me for free. Will this change what gear for me to start out in other than second and low??

Thanks to all of you for your advice!!!

Rich

 

do not pull it in hi side! yes you can do it, but it just creates unecissary strain on yer transfer, save it and pull in low 2nd. next issue, it the other guy doesnt have any ladder bars er somethin and he gets to jumpin and hopin real hard, mark my words, you will see a drive shaft come out of that thing real fast! and as built tough 250 said, yer truck sits up pretty high also, his wont sit hi enough to make a differance. yer best freind is weight. and dont worry bout that slit gear ratio so long as yer tires are spinning. as soon as they stop spinning yer putting alot of strain and bind on yer driveline(dont do it on a hard surface!!!). good luck

 

I agree with red ranger on the wheel hopping taking out a drive shaft or axle shaft. But if your tires are spinning that means you dont have any traction so if he is spining his tires also it will be a matter of who gives up first. I have seen guys smokin their tires for two or three minutes before one or the other just gives up. You have got weight, torque and height going for you. Come out above an idle but not high enough to break the tires loose in second gear low range and you do fine. Dont use a receiver in your hitch that has a drop, you want the cable or chain hooked as high as you can get it. And as said in an earlier post if you dont do it on pavement you will just dig holes and throw rocks and gravel all over your truck and his.

 

So how do you let the other guy know that you have given up?

I agree with going in 2wd, that transfer case is a lot more ($) than tires.

You have the advantage if you have Trac-Lok axles. If you really want to win, swap out the rear axle with 4.10:1. They are easy to change but the front won't be easy to find.

 

are you sure you dont already have a posi- or limited slip differential already? or is your truck a one wheel wonder?

the difference between 3:73's and 4:10's is *almost* un-noticable.

i really think you have the advantage- torque, 4speed, smaller tires, makes them easier for you to turn. if your tires are the same width as his, traction should be close to the same, EXCept for the fact that his are MUD TERRAINS which wont grip on concrete as good as YOUR all terrains...

yeah, id do it it 2 wheel drive, no need to rip out your transfer case.

good luck!!

i think if you skip using the trialer hitch/ ball, and just hook the tow straps through your hitch PIN youll have ALOT less chance of it coming loose. everytime ive pulled someone out of a mud pit, i always slid the hitch pin through the loop on the towstrap, put the safety pin on the hitch pin, never came loose.


" how will the other guy know if i give up?" trust me he'll be looking in his mirror while you pull him backwards and if he sees your tail-lights, he'll know when youre done dragging him.

 

OK, based on the information so far, I need to pull him on pavement. I didnt want to, I thought I'd tear up my truck. My desire to win has overidden my common sence. This person ran his mouth all day at work about how his 150 was going to embarrass my 250. I wasnt there to hear it, I stayed home with my sick little girl today, but was this told by another co-worker. Based on all your input, I need weight in the back of my truck, pull him on pavement, start out in 4 wheel low and 2nd gear. Dont nail the throttle and use a nylon strap tied higher than my ball hitch. Some have suggested 2wheel drive instead of 4wheel drive. HMMMM. I'm saving up money for a posi unit. Think this will help me much? I have a Dana 60 rear and a Dana 44HD front. If I can only afford 1, which one should I buy for the best advantage? The front or the rear?

 

You probably didn't think about this. We're having a discussion here about your pull. You gave that guy tires with more tread, right? You did good. Think about it. Slicks are pretty bald, for better traction at tracks. That's why they do a burn out at first. To warm the tires, and lay rubber down to make it sticky. So, if this guy takes your "better tires", then, it's better for you.

Overall, you sound like you need some re-assurance. When I first got my 4x4, I never drove offroad (snow or mud). So, my hubby took over, drove up this hill (was pretty steep). And this was with a 2 barrel, and my old 400. Then, I drove 6200 feet elevation in the snow, leading 5 jeeps. it.http://members.aol.com/bigblu4x4/speedy2.htm
look at the animated truck pics. The snow pictures are the same trip. See the one with the truck at the top of the hill?

My point? Before you do this, remember, most of this will be driver's technique. Learn your truck, before you do this. Build up confidence. You've got so much advantage with you. Your motor, tire size, weight over your front end.

I think we all want pictures, even a video. Wish I could be there, I've always wanted to drag my bosses chevy across her acreage (scare the sheep). She always thought it was speed my truck lacked, LOL. Then, her hubby called me one day to pull a heavier truck than hers out of mud in her yard, because her truck couldn't.

Of course, I have a tach, so I know where my torque peaks at (1800-2000). She has no clue what torque is about. Big motor, big torque as low as possible, and carrying it, that's the key!!