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Old May 14, 2014 | 12:05 PM
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Angry Suggestions...up pipe install

Well, seeing as we were projected to have a nice day I decided to tackle the bellowed up pipe install. And as those of you in northern climates whose highway department uses "deicer" on the roads, you can guess that I've ran into a problem. Oh, I have the nuts off the exhaust manifold to up pipe off...no issues there. The issue is that the bolt is seized to the exhaust manifold. I have been able to twist one off, leaving a "stud".

PB Blaster? Yeah right. I've heated the ex manifold cherry red and then tried...nope. Apply heat and persuade with a hammer...no joy. I've spray more PB perfume on them...I'll heat and apply more, heat/apply more...persuade.

Is this how it's going to be?

Thoughts?
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 12:36 PM
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I ended up with a head in the machine shop due to salt-induced manifold bolt rust. There's just no easy solution, unfortunately.
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 02:35 PM
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I have prevailed....now to start the reassembly!
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 03:05 PM
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Old May 14, 2014 | 03:30 PM
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Bolt the bottom bolts that attach the pipes to the manifolds loosely then tighten up the clamp on the turbo, then go back under and tighten the ones to the manifold, or you will have a heck of a time lining up on the turbo.
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 04:05 PM
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Bolt the bottom bolts that attach the pipes to the manifolds loosely then tighten up the clamp on the turbo, then go back under and tighten the ones to the manifold, or you will have a heck of a time lining up on the turbo.
I found a nice procedure on the Riffraff site. Still a pain, need that third arm coming right out of your chest. ...Delete ped on, turbo on, spider on, lower manifold bolts loose yet.

I noticed a small fuel leak on the ITP regulated return...researching now.

And as long as the CAC tubing is off, changing out the rusty power steering lines. Probably have to remove the AIS as well for better access though.
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 07:00 PM
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I found a nice procedure on the Riffraff site. Still a pain, need that third arm coming right out of your chest. ...Delete ped on, turbo on, spider on, lower manifold bolts loose yet.

I noticed a small fuel leak on the ITP regulated return...researching now.

And as long as the CAC tubing is off, changing out the rusty power steering lines. Probably have to remove the AIS as well for better access though.
Might be a good time to inspect/protect fuel line on passenger side to rear of head from clamp rubbing.
 
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Might be a good time to inspect/protect fuel line on passenger side to rear of head from clamp rubbing.
That line has been replaced as part of the ITP regulated return.
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 07:14 PM
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So how did you finally overcome the seized bolts? Not that I ever plan on moving up North and having to deal with this, but inquiring minds want to know.
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Fantastic Dan........just catching up after a wonderful day of business travel.

So how did you preveail over the loverly bolt?
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 09:17 PM
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Of the four all the nuts came off, I sawed the passenger side bolts off...at least one of them, the other about 3/4 thru. The sawed through one, no issues....12mm socket on a should have been 13mm head spun right out. Twisted the upper passenger side off, leaving a stud.

The drivers side I couldn't get a saw up to, again the nuts came right off. Rust had changed the head size though.

PB Blaster? Yeah I soaked them a couple days ahead of time, drove it, soaked them again, drove it. I know some of you have good luck with it, but I don't.

I lit the torch up, heated the exhaust manifold cherry red, hustled out from underneath and tried using a 3/4" rod as a punch driven been a 2lb hammer. Got one, the upper on the pass side. The drivers side I had the best luck heating the manifold and then grabbing the stud with a locking pliers and very slowly got some movement. Just worked them back and forth until they were loose and spun them out.

Heat, I like heat.

That is the hardest part of the job.
 
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Old May 14, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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We've had tremendous success with a penetrating oil made by a company called Kimball Midwest in Ohio. It may be hard for some to get ahold of and maybe not worth it but I've had it do some pretty amazing things. Far superior to Aero Kroil, PB or any other brand I've used.
 
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Some times after you heat up a nut you can use a squeeze bottle of plain tap water to 'shock' it in to breaking free. The key is to concentrate your, heat and then the water, on the nut.

I like to save an old gear lube bottle with its nozzle in place for a squeeze bottle.
 
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