V-10 vs Hemi
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You need to look around the web and find how many "work engines" are ending up in late model Mustangs!! Some guys have even stuffed a supercharger UNDER the intake manifold.
The V10 is NOT just a work engine. Just like you posted, the TQ numbers will move a lighter car faster and with other mods the racing is ON. [/B]
The V10 is NOT just a work engine. Just like you posted, the TQ numbers will move a lighter car faster and with other mods the racing is ON. [/B]
I guess my point was just this: The Dodge guy wanted to compare Ford's V10 with Dodge's Viper/SRT10 V10 engine. To me that's not really a level comparison because Dodge designed that motor as a performance/racing engine for use in dedicated sports vehicles like the Viper and soon the SRT10 Ram 1500 sport truck.
On the other hand, Ford uses their 6.8L V10 as a regular-duty work engine for use in heavy-duty pickups. It's job isn't t go fast (although it can), it's for towing, hauling and day to day dependability with minimal maintenance. That's all I was trying to say.
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I agree, as well. That truck will be designed to compete against the LIGHTNING. Being overall performance minded anything is possible.
Any truck that breaks 5 secs 0-60 will have to put out some juice. Remember TYPHOONs and SYCLONEs?? I won't hold my breath till I see some hard facts.
Any truck that breaks 5 secs 0-60 will have to put out some juice. Remember TYPHOONs and SYCLONEs?? I won't hold my breath till I see some hard facts.
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People within Ford know the potential the modular V-10 for high performance....I believe it is a 6-bolt block like a better DSM engine. I'd love to see a 427 version of it put in the new Mustang platform...time will tell though...the SRT-10 from Dodge is gonna be a beast but I don't think Ford is going to sit down and let go of it's Performance Truck crown.
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I went head to head with a 2500 4x4 saturday with the hemi badge on his fender. He got a slight jump on me because I didn't know we were racing. I stomped it to the floor jumped ahead of him slammed the gears all the way through to 5th and he was at my rear fender through every gear until fifth, then he was behind me and I was gaining. We had to back off @ 90mph because of upcoming traffic. I'm guessing he is not real impressed with his hemi, I know I wasn't.
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Originally posted by bhunt23
I am an avid car and truck enthusiast and have nothing against any certain type of manufacturer, but I would say that it is a little unfair to compare a V10 powered truck against a V8 powered truck, wouldn't you?. It is the same thing in comparing a Corvette to a Viper. It's like comparing apples to oranges. If you want to compare a Dodge and a Ford make it fair, compare a V8 Ford against a V8 Dodge and I think you will find that the Dodge will outmuscle the Ford 98% of the time. So if you want to compare a V10 Ford against something from Dodge, wait a few months till the SRT10 Ram comes out with the V10 Viper motor. Then I do believe things will come out a little different when you are up against a truck that runs 0-60 in about 5 seconds and is able to reach 150mph.
I am an avid car and truck enthusiast and have nothing against any certain type of manufacturer, but I would say that it is a little unfair to compare a V10 powered truck against a V8 powered truck, wouldn't you?. It is the same thing in comparing a Corvette to a Viper. It's like comparing apples to oranges. If you want to compare a Dodge and a Ford make it fair, compare a V8 Ford against a V8 Dodge and I think you will find that the Dodge will outmuscle the Ford 98% of the time. So if you want to compare a V10 Ford against something from Dodge, wait a few months till the SRT10 Ram comes out with the V10 Viper motor. Then I do believe things will come out a little different when you are up against a truck that runs 0-60 in about 5 seconds and is able to reach 150mph.
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If Ford builds the new Lightning according to numbers I've seen it will be 500 hp and 500 lb. ft. The same numbers as the SRT-10. It will then be us Ford fans that are more than willing to compare the little V-8 to Dodges V-10 unlike the Dodge guy who is unwilling to admit that his V-8 could possibly be inferior.
btw: is he Ford curious? I wouldn't even consider going to a dodge site because I just don't care....
btw: is he Ford curious? I wouldn't even consider going to a dodge site because I just don't care....
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"a 6-bolt block"
I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.
Hemi? Intake valve on the side near the intake manifold, exhaust valve on the side near the exhaust manifold spark plug in the center and a dome shaped combustion chamber. Now why does that sound exactly like a V10? Could it be Dodge is only blowing smoke and selling a word?
Last I heard 90% of the motors on the road today have hemispherical combustion chambers.
I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.
Hemi? Intake valve on the side near the intake manifold, exhaust valve on the side near the exhaust manifold spark plug in the center and a dome shaped combustion chamber. Now why does that sound exactly like a V10? Could it be Dodge is only blowing smoke and selling a word?
Last I heard 90% of the motors on the road today have hemispherical combustion chambers.
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Originally posted by daimon1054
"a 6-bolt block"
I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.
Hemi? Intake valve on the side near the intake manifold, exhaust valve on the side near the exhaust manifold spark plug in the center and a dome shaped combustion chamber. Now why does that sound exactly like a V10? Could it be Dodge is only blowing smoke and selling a word?
Last I heard 90% of the motors on the road today have hemispherical combustion chambers.
"a 6-bolt block"
I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.
Hemi? Intake valve on the side near the intake manifold, exhaust valve on the side near the exhaust manifold spark plug in the center and a dome shaped combustion chamber. Now why does that sound exactly like a V10? Could it be Dodge is only blowing smoke and selling a word?
Last I heard 90% of the motors on the road today have hemispherical combustion chambers.
The OHC motors are not true Hemis. They sometimes have similar port configurations and spark plug locations, but their chambers are seldom Hemispherical. Such is the case with the Ford Mod motors. In fact, on the Ford motors, the valves are side by side in a standard arrangement, not on their respective port sides like you stated. Compare a 5.7 Hemi head to a Ford mod head, and you will see they are nothing alike at all really.
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Originally posted by daimon1054
"a 6-bolt block"
I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.
"a 6-bolt block"
I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.
"one more point I would like to make upon teardown of our V10 we noted that the bottom end of the engine is almost bullet proof steel crank ,6 bolt mains and good oiling system...."
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Otay! I know the first units (Crown Vic) were not 4 bolt cross bolt, also my 94 Mustang GT was not a 4 bolt cross bolt, done sent dat on me sef. Maybe the Triton is different after all?
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Originally posted by daimon1054
Otay! I know the first units (Crown Vic) were not 4 bolt cross bolt, also my 94 Mustang GT was not a 4 bolt cross bolt, done sent dat on me sef. Maybe the Triton is different after all?
Otay! I know the first units (Crown Vic) were not 4 bolt cross bolt, also my 94 Mustang GT was not a 4 bolt cross bolt, done sent dat on me sef. Maybe the Triton is different after all?
Crown Vics could have been differnt. 94 Mustang GT's were 302 pushrod mills...so yeah it would have been a 2 bolt block. 96 was the first year for the modular 4.6 in GT's and it was a 4 bolt....just had really crappy heads among other things.....
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Originally posted by TrueBlueV10
The current 5.7 Hemi is very close in design to the 426 Hemi. I'd have to say Dodge is 100% correct in calling their new motor a Hemi.
Compare a 5.7 Hemi head to a Ford mod head, and you will see they are nothing alike at all really.
The current 5.7 Hemi is very close in design to the 426 Hemi. I'd have to say Dodge is 100% correct in calling their new motor a Hemi.
Compare a 5.7 Hemi head to a Ford mod head, and you will see they are nothing alike at all really.
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The original 426 Hemi had true 1/2 round combustion chambers. The current 5.7 Hemi chambers are very close to a 1/2 circle, and they really are completely round. The only reason they arent is that the angles of the valves are a bit different than that of the 426. Also, the new 5.7 has a dual plug set up, and the 2 plugs are right in the center of the chambers. The combustion chambers are not a twisted wedge like many OHC motors. If you saw the 5.7 head next to a 426 head, you would agree that the 5.7 is a true hemi and deserving of the title.
I agree that Dodge is using the Hemi name to its full marketing advantage, but it is not like they just slaped the Hemi badge on any old motor. The 5.7 is a real well designed motor, and it is a true Hemispherical design.
I agree that Dodge is using the Hemi name to its full marketing advantage, but it is not like they just slaped the Hemi badge on any old motor. The 5.7 is a real well designed motor, and it is a true Hemispherical design.
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Originally posted by HeavyAssault
<<Since this section is for a V10 work engine that's only available in 3/4 ton and up pickups I doubt many here really care about street racing.>>
You need to look around the web and find how many "work engines" are ending up in late model Mustangs!! Some guys have even stuffed a supercharger UNDER the intake manifold.
The V10 is NOT just a work engine. Just like you posted, the TQ numbers will move a lighter car faster and with other mods the racing is ON.
<<Since this section is for a V10 work engine that's only available in 3/4 ton and up pickups I doubt many here really care about street racing.>>
You need to look around the web and find how many "work engines" are ending up in late model Mustangs!! Some guys have even stuffed a supercharger UNDER the intake manifold.
The V10 is NOT just a work engine. Just like you posted, the TQ numbers will move a lighter car faster and with other mods the racing is ON.
proof to that fact...........400 ft/lbs of torque at 2000 rpms is a real tire smoker.....=)
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2000BLK54 *** LOL yeah my 96 GT! Took for ever to get performance parts back then. I bought the first set of SVO headers thinking hey easy swap. Yeah you had to get the car at least 3 feet of the ground. Had heads and cams and a boat load of crap to still be slow!
Times have changed!
Times have changed!