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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 02:01 PM
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Corvette sink hole

Anyone been watching the live feed from the Corvette sink hole ? I just counted 16 guys stand around doing nothing but looking in the hole . The cranes have been removed and there seems to be nothing happening in the hole . Each time I have looked it seems to be the same story . It must be a pay by the hour recovery .
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 02:04 PM
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Im no mechanice but Im qualified to stand around in a safety vest and hard hat and look in a hole..
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DR Smith
Anyone been watching the live feed from the Corvette sink hole ? I just counted 16 guys stand around doing nothing but looking in the hole . The cranes have been removed and there seems to be nothing happening in the hole . Each time I have looked it seems to be the same story . It must be a pay by the hour recovery .
I know that they had removed some of the cars already, they showed a clip on CNN the other day of them hauling the 62 out with the crane. Did they get the rest of them out yet?
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 02:46 PM
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I know that they had removed some of the cars already, they showed a clip on CNN the other day of them hauling the 62 out with the crane. Did they get the rest of them out yet?
So far they have removed that 2009 "Blue Devil", the Millionth Corvette (a white early 90's convertible), and that black 62. I saw a video they shot with a "drone" that flew down into the hole. The rest of those cars are under lots of dirt and debris. That hole looks pretty nasty, and dangerous. It's gonna be a long process, and we're gonna see some pretty damaged cars I imagine. I read someplace else that they plan on putting all of the cars on display as-is in the other part of the museum and then repairing them. They actually were able to start the engine on that Blue Devil car and drive it a few feet out of the way.

Here's one of those little helicopter drone camera videos, obviously shot before they removed any of the cars.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 03:53 PM
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As of Thursday 5 cars have been removed. The remaining 3 are buried under dirt & debris. 4of the 5 are heavily damaged as seen on the Automotive News web-site.
All will be on display at the Museum until August when they will go to GM for restoration.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 04:04 PM
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Thanks for the update. That's pretty fast reporting, even faster than their own website. Obviously as they dig deeper, the reality of the damage is becoming more and more obvious. Here's a picture from autoweek.

 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 05:03 PM
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Thanks for the update. That's pretty fast reporting, even faster than their own website. Obviously as they dig deeper, the reality of the damage is becoming more and more obvious. Here's a picture from autoweek.

Guess that car won't be making any laps around the Brickyard anytime soon.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 06:56 PM
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At this point, it seems pretty obvious to me that they probably know exactly why this particular sinkhole happened, and I'm wondering if it was "man-made" vs. mother nature. For instance, I haven't heard or read anything about typical concerns like the hole could get bigger, endanger workers, the area is not stable, yada yada. In other words, they don't seem to be too concerned that the hole might expand and swallow the rest of the area. The hole looks pretty dry in those videos. I wonder if that big 2 foot drain line under that floor had anything to do with it. You can see it in those drone videos. It's above that white convertible millionth car. If it's a man-made problem, somebody's head could roll, insurance companies might not pay, etc.

And if there's any doubt about how strong alloy wheels are, this video is pretty convincing. Look at how they lifted this 93 Vette.

 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc
So far they have removed that 2009 "Blue Devil", the Millionth Corvette (a white early 90's convertible), and that black 62. I saw a video they shot with a "drone" that flew down into the hole. The rest of those cars are under lots of dirt and debris. That hole looks pretty nasty, and dangerous. It's gonna be a long process, and we're gonna see some pretty damaged cars I imagine. I read someplace else that they plan on putting all of the cars on display as-is in the other part of the museum and then repairing them. They actually were able to start the engine on that Blue Devil car and drive it a few feet out of the way.

Here's one of those little helicopter drone camera videos, obviously shot before they removed any of the cars.
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There I was all wound up about the drone video. They could have done as good with a camera on a stick. Maybe Jeff Dunham has one of them. I'm surprised at the strength of the alloy wheels there. I know a fella that slid into a curb and broke one. Maybe they are of a different mix of metals being a sports car.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 09:35 PM
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I'm surprised at the strength of the alloy wheels there. I know a fella that slid into a curb and broke one. Maybe they are of a different mix of metals being a sports car.
There's a big difference between supporting a static load and smacking a curb at 10g's, an impact in which they were not designed to withstand and survive. Steel will bend and aluminum will break. But to lift the car by the wheels, it's not much different than holding it off the ground, like they do normally. I would suspect axles would pull out past the C-clips or hub bearings could fail before the wheel would break in that manner.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 10:11 PM
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I guess it just looks like there is a lot of lateral force being applied to the hub area there the way the straps are. I s'pose the cars aren't quite as heavy as an SUV.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 11:15 PM
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There I was all wound up about the drone video. They could have done as good with a camera on a stick. Maybe Jeff Dunham has one of them. ....
I was going to say, a 12-yr-old with a GoPro and a Radio Shack helicopter could have done a better job.

Doc, I suspect you are correct, although that doesn't look like any wash-out type sinkhole I've seen. There is way too much "missing" material, there is a heck of a void there, seems to go down for quite a ways. A wash-out usually just redistributes material or compacts it.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2014 | 11:44 PM
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Yeah I read somewhere that the pipe in question is the root cause. The article said it had to do with the A/C system in the building. Who knows how this will play out.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 07:23 AM
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They have said that the cars only had body damage , and the frames and running gears where ok . I guess I am pretty slow , cause that orange pace car looks to have a little rear frame problems .
 
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Old Mar 7, 2014 | 10:44 AM
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The guys standing around are probably not workers per se, but GM executives and museum officials wanting to get an up close and personal view.
 
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