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greetings from Scotland.
I have recently bought a trailer for my 1956 F100. It is the rear of a 56, sitting on the front of "something". It has a front axle and I want to try and use the brakes, making a braked trailer.
I took a wheel off and the pics below show what I found. I have been through a few websites trying to identify the brake parts, but can't find anything similar --e.g. wheel cylinder with 3 bolt holes; shoes without an adjuster etc.
The shoes are 1.75 in wide, and the brake is an 11in.
Can anyone help me find a rebuild kit? ie cylinders and shoes?
I have recently bought a trailer for my 1956 F100. It is the rear of a 56, sitting on the front of "something". It has a front axle and I want to try and use the brakes, making a braked trailer.
I took a wheel off and the pics below show what I found. I have been through a few websites trying to identify the brake parts, but can't find anything similar --e.g. wheel cylinder with 3 bolt holes; shoes without an adjuster etc.
The shoes are 1.75 in wide, and the brake is an 11in.
Can anyone help me find a rebuild kit? ie cylinders and shoes?
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My recommendation would be to scrap all those OEM axle/brake bits and go with a trailer-specific setup with electric brakes. I am not sure how easy it is to get this equipment in your local area but here is an ebay listing that shows what can be boght for very little money... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-3500LB-4-DROP-BRAKE-AXLE-95HF-80SC-5-LUG-TRAILER-CARGO-/141126837759?pt=Motors_RV_Trailer_Camper_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20dbd0a5ff&vxp=mtrIf you are handy with a welder then you could buy the spindles, an axle tube (pipe), and the brake assemblies to fabricate a custom axle. Less cost, less weight, easier maintenance...what's not to like.
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My first thought was Chevy, but it's not......could be International, Studebaker or Hudson. Could be a European make too. Definitely an oddball.....
Any part numbers on it?
What is the wheel bolt pattern size? That would help narrow it down.
Any part numbers on it?
What is the wheel bolt pattern size? That would help narrow it down.
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How much weight do you plan on hauling around with that thing?
In the long run its probably not worth the effort to get the brakes working.
Another thought would be to see if you could fit a set of electric trailer brake backing plates, etc to the axle.
Good luck with it
Bobby
In the long run its probably not worth the effort to get the brakes working.
Another thought would be to see if you could fit a set of electric trailer brake backing plates, etc to the axle.
Good luck with it
Bobby
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I'm not sure of the laws in Scotland if your have to have trailer brakes, but in the US we don't have to have them unless we are pulling heavy enough weight. I have a pick-up bed trailer that I removed all the brake parts from to reduce drag.
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How much weight do you plan on hauling around with that thing?
In the long run its probably not worth the effort to get the brakes working.
Another thought would be to see if you could fit a set of electric trailer brake backing plates, etc to the axle.
Good luck with it
Bobby
In the long run its probably not worth the effort to get the brakes working.
Another thought would be to see if you could fit a set of electric trailer brake backing plates, etc to the axle.
Good luck with it
Bobby
In the UK any trailer over 750kg (1,600 lbs) has to be braked.
Just the frame, ribs, whole bed must weigh a considerable amount, so I will definitely have brakes on it.
I have now found a UK supplier of fixed axles, complete with cable operated brakes, so am going to keep the leaf springs + dampers I have, and use a new axle.
Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
QBE
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My recommendation would be to scrap all those OEM axle/brake bits and go with a trailer-specific setup with electric brakes. I am not sure how easy it is to get this equipment in your local area but here is an ebay listing that shows what can be boght for very little money...
If you are handy with a welder then you could buy the spindles, an axle tube (pipe), and the brake assemblies to fabricate a custom axle. Less cost, less weight, easier maintenance...what's not to like.
If you are handy with a welder then you could buy the spindles, an axle tube (pipe), and the brake assemblies to fabricate a custom axle. Less cost, less weight, easier maintenance...what's not to like.
Not too expensive and I gain a lot of peace of mind...
Many thanks for your advice and reply
Cheers,
QBE
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Is the 1600lbs the Gross Vehicle Weight or just the weight of the trailer? If it was jus the weight of the trailer I'd bet you would be under the weight limit (might be close, but under it)
I think our laws are more lenient due to the fact that most trailers here are pulled by trucks instead of smaller cars.
I'm glad you were able to find a source for an axle.
Bobby
I think our laws are more lenient due to the fact that most trailers here are pulled by trucks instead of smaller cars.
I'm glad you were able to find a source for an axle.
Bobby
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Is the 1600lbs the Gross Vehicle Weight or just the weight of the trailer? If it was jus the weight of the trailer I'd bet you would be under the weight limit (might be close, but under it)
I think our laws are more lenient due to the fact that most trailers here are pulled by trucks instead of smaller cars.
I'm glad you were able to find a source for an axle.
Bobby
I think our laws are more lenient due to the fact that most trailers here are pulled by trucks instead of smaller cars.
I'm glad you were able to find a source for an axle.
Bobby
"... require a trailer with a maximum design laden weight of more 750 kg to be braked and allow an inertia (overrun) type braking system to be used up to a maximum permissible laden weight of 3500kg."
So the 1600lbs limit is for the loaded trailer, therefore I'd definitely need brakes.
Now in the UK, you cannot make your own trailer (since 2012). Luckily I am refurbing an existing trailer...
And yes, we have far fewer trucks and a lot of increasingly light cars...
Cheers,
QBE
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Not much weight, just motorbikes, camping gear, household rubbish etc.
In the UK any trailer over 750kg (1,600 lbs) has to be braked.
Just the frame, ribs, whole bed must weigh a considerable amount, so I will definitely have brakes on it.
I have now found a UK supplier of fixed axles, complete with cable operated brakes, so am going to keep the leaf springs + dampers I have, and use a new axle.
Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
QBE
In the UK any trailer over 750kg (1,600 lbs) has to be braked.
Just the frame, ribs, whole bed must weigh a considerable amount, so I will definitely have brakes on it.
I have now found a UK supplier of fixed axles, complete with cable operated brakes, so am going to keep the leaf springs + dampers I have, and use a new axle.
Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
QBE
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I wouldn't expect your trailer, empty, weighs in excess of 800 pounds. If you put another 1000 pounds in it, you'd likely sack the springs pretty good. I think you could go either way. Good or bad, most small trailers like that here wouldn't have brakes.
