EEC-IV PCM Connector Terminals
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EEC-IV PCM Connector Terminals
Greetings. Anybody out there have information as to a source of the terminals for the EEC-IV 60-pin PCM connector? There were only two types used; E7EB-14488-GA for 18 ga. wire and E7EB-14488-NA for 14 ga. wire. The folks at RJM Injection Tech have vanished and the folks at Interactive Systems won't sell what they have. I'm doing a project for the local community college so they can test run the engines the students rebuild. They are 1.9L Escort engines and use the EEC-IV mass-air system. I've exhausted my stock of these terminals and need some to fill the bin in anticipation of the next project (1933 Ford Tudor re-wire). Any guidance will be most appreciated. If anyone has these and needs another type, I might be able to help via a trade. Thanks.
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My first best guess would be Ford. They will probably be Very Proud of them, though.
My second guess would be to take one or two of each, measure them (length, diameters, location of locking features, size of locking features, etc), then see if you can cross them to an Amphenol or other industrial/avionics circular connector pin. If you go that route, don't be too concerned about how the pin crimps onto the wire as long as it will clear the interior of the connector once it is crimped onto the wire. The price per pin will be about $2.00, if I remember correctly, and you will have to spring for a crimp tool as well; pliers and wirecutters won't do a proper crimp on the pin (and you will play Hell getting the pin back out of a circular connector if you do use wirecutters to crimp them, as I found out when the new guy in the lab used wirecutters to crimp half a dozen pins then inserted them in the wrong holes).
If you do find that an industrial or avionics pin will work in place of the Ford pins, please come back and update this thread with the information you found along with the necessary crimp tool.
My second guess would be to take one or two of each, measure them (length, diameters, location of locking features, size of locking features, etc), then see if you can cross them to an Amphenol or other industrial/avionics circular connector pin. If you go that route, don't be too concerned about how the pin crimps onto the wire as long as it will clear the interior of the connector once it is crimped onto the wire. The price per pin will be about $2.00, if I remember correctly, and you will have to spring for a crimp tool as well; pliers and wirecutters won't do a proper crimp on the pin (and you will play Hell getting the pin back out of a circular connector if you do use wirecutters to crimp them, as I found out when the new guy in the lab used wirecutters to crimp half a dozen pins then inserted them in the wrong holes).
If you do find that an industrial or avionics pin will work in place of the Ford pins, please come back and update this thread with the information you found along with the necessary crimp tool.
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I've been through so many terminal catalogs that I'm about blind. The avionics stuff won't do it. These were built by Cardell under contract to Lear who built the engine harnesses for the late 80s and early 90s speed density injected trucks. Cardell was bought by Molex in 1990 and they would rather burn in Hell than sell any to a non-Ford user. You can use the terminals for the VSS or TPS sensor connectors, but you have to "pre-stretch" these female terminals with a round nosed SST pin BEFORE re-connecting the 60-pin connector. The insertion pressure of these terminals is quite a bit higher than the originals and can cause the PCM pins to be pushed backwards into the connector shell. This change IS NOT for the inexperienced. I've had to do it a couple of times, and I get a pucker factor of about 9.7 each time. But, with no source of the correct terminals, you do what you must to get running. Thanks.
I've been through so many terminal catalogs that I'm about blind. The avionics stuff won't do it. These were built by Cardell under contract to Lear who built the engine harnesses for the late 80s and early 90s speed density injected trucks. Cardell was bought by Molex in 1990 and they would rather burn in Hell than sell any to a non-Ford user. You can use the terminals for the VSS or TPS sensor connectors, but you have to "pre-stretch" these female terminals with a round nosed SST pin BEFORE re-connecting the 60-pin connector. The insertion pressure of these terminals is quite a bit higher than the originals and can cause the PCM pins to be pushed backwards into the connector shell. This change IS NOT for the inexperienced. I've had to do it a couple of times, and I get a pucker factor of about 9.7 each time. But, with no source of the correct terminals, you do what you must to get running. Thanks.
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eakermeld -
I presume you are referring to the PCM connector? I had no idea Deere or Cat used a PCM that is similar to the Ford 60-pin type. Do you have any info as to the part number of the harness side connector or where this might be found, for either Cat or Deere? Nothing surprises me after finding Isuzu diesels in the Chev trucks. Any help will be most appreciated. The guys at the local Ford store have no clue.
I presume you are referring to the PCM connector? I had no idea Deere or Cat used a PCM that is similar to the Ford 60-pin type. Do you have any info as to the part number of the harness side connector or where this might be found, for either Cat or Deere? Nothing surprises me after finding Isuzu diesels in the Chev trucks. Any help will be most appreciated. The guys at the local Ford store have no clue.
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I didn't mean the whole connector, just the pins inside. They both used Deutsch style pin connectors for a long time and then changed to something else in the last few years. In the shop I used to work at we had a kit that came with every pin and connector you could imagine and the little tools to fix them with. If you have a Deere shop close to you, talk to the service dept. and see if they will let you look at the kit. And there are some ECU's on old Cat motors that do look like the Ford 60 pin, but I don't know if they are exactly the same or not, I never had a reason to compare them till now.
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I found an interchange manufacturer:
Pointe Products - Distributor of Bolts, Nuts, Fasteners & Parts
94-7267-CP = FORD: 101024,E7EB-14488-NA is $5.34 pkg 10
94-7266-CP = FORD: 101028,E7EB-14487-GA is $5.34 pkg 10
Found on Google. Not sure how they are to deal with.
William
Pointe Products - Distributor of Bolts, Nuts, Fasteners & Parts
94-7267-CP = FORD: 101024,E7EB-14488-NA is $5.34 pkg 10
94-7266-CP = FORD: 101028,E7EB-14487-GA is $5.34 pkg 10
Found on Google. Not sure how they are to deal with.
William
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rla2005 -
Yes, I've contacted IST about these terminals. THEY WON'T SELL THEM ANYMORE! Guess they figured out what they bought when they picked up the inventory of some fuel injection shop. I offered a trade for some of the terminals I have, but no dice. I hate to reuse terminals, but that's how it goes. Thanks.
Yes, I've contacted IST about these terminals. THEY WON'T SELL THEM ANYMORE! Guess they figured out what they bought when they picked up the inventory of some fuel injection shop. I offered a trade for some of the terminals I have, but no dice. I hate to reuse terminals, but that's how it goes. Thanks.
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Have you had a look here: Ford Clips And Fasteners
They stock quite a few different Ford-type terminals.
They stock quite a few different Ford-type terminals.
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I buy from them all the time. Like I responded to broke vet, I'm about blind from going through soooo many catalogs. Everybody is shedding their Ford terminal stock because because they've been told to by Ford. It's a matter of the Golden Rule; He with the gold makes the rules. Ford owns the tooling and the terminal design. They want to stop the aftermarket knock-off suppliers. The Kent Moore trays don't have but a few Ford terminals and none back to the EEC-IV years.
The next step will be to check out the Deere and Cat connector repair boxes. The PCM terminals have never been offered in anything but terminated leads (pigtails) by any of the aftermarket sources, even at Ford dealers. Using new terminals means a clean harness with deliberate point-to-point wire runs. EFI systems are sensitive to RF noise, induced voltage, poor grounds, dirty connections, and moisture. Creating a trouble shooting career job is the last thing you want. If Deere or Cat have anything that will lock properly into the connector body and have less insertion pressure than the VSS or TPS terminals, I'll make it work. Thanks.
I buy from them all the time. Like I responded to broke vet, I'm about blind from going through soooo many catalogs. Everybody is shedding their Ford terminal stock because because they've been told to by Ford. It's a matter of the Golden Rule; He with the gold makes the rules. Ford owns the tooling and the terminal design. They want to stop the aftermarket knock-off suppliers. The Kent Moore trays don't have but a few Ford terminals and none back to the EEC-IV years.
The next step will be to check out the Deere and Cat connector repair boxes. The PCM terminals have never been offered in anything but terminated leads (pigtails) by any of the aftermarket sources, even at Ford dealers. Using new terminals means a clean harness with deliberate point-to-point wire runs. EFI systems are sensitive to RF noise, induced voltage, poor grounds, dirty connections, and moisture. Creating a trouble shooting career job is the last thing you want. If Deere or Cat have anything that will lock properly into the connector body and have less insertion pressure than the VSS or TPS terminals, I'll make it work. Thanks.
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