Sigh, I hear ya Pool. I constantly try to jump into those threads and add comments to all the "old-schoolers" out there that think everything needs stump-pulling gears and a 460CID engine. That just isn't the case anymore with modern power-train and a 4.17 1st gear.

I hate to say it, but we shouldn't be too hard on those who buy F150 as their "grocery getters". It's really their prerogative what they choose to buy. Last I checked, we still live in a free country. I will be the first to admit, my truck is under-utilized, and will most likely never see max payload or towing. What I have used it for is moving from my apartment to my first house, moving lots and lots of cargo volume (not so much weight), dump runs and towing a mustang to NH to help out my dad. It may be years before I see another trailer. I don't really care, I like owning a truck and until there is a law that tells me otherwise, I will continue to own and drive one.

 

Tom first let me apologize. I wasn't meaning to be contradictory at all. There is nothing wrong at all with a truck that can get 20 mpg while towing 11,000lbs. I think that would be awesome. Your right that my older trucks aren't rated to tow that much weight, but I'd love try it though. And that was kind of my point as well. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. All I was trying to say is that I personally think it's ridiculous that some people buy trucks set up much like yours is then complain that it doesn't get the mileage posted on the sticker. When those numbers are set by a truck that is set up to be the most fuel efficient with that engine. And they don't read the smaller print that states that options, location and driver habits may affect mileage. (or something to that effect.) And I didn't mean to make it sound like you are one of those that complain about the mileage your getting. Sorry if it did sound like that. If you recall in past threads about the next gen trucks I was defending Ford for the use of aluminum, and other lighter weight materials. I think Ford has, and will continue to do a great job of providing the best of economy, capability, and power. Something the others in my opinion have failed at. My former boss in 2011 bought a new f150 platinum (I think) egoboost max tow super crew and b****ed he wasn't getting the fuel economy Ford said it should get. So 700 miles later he traded it on a 2012 Ram 3500 cummins crew mega cab dually. If that makes any F-ing sense. I never did understand his logic on that one. Now he's the type I was talking about.

 

Robb I completely agree with you. I however think that if a guy buys a truck to be a grocery getter, that he should remember it's a truck. And not a friggin econobox. And that no matter what, it will NEVER get the same mileage as an econobox either.

 

hehe, i suppose i'm "old school" since the f-150 i plan to get is a 6.2 with 3.73s

 

Yeah me too. Pair that with a reg. cab, longbox, 4x4 with the tcase shift lever in the floor, live axle up front, and manual locking hubs. Oh lets not forget a good hd 6speed manual tranny in there. g Oh YEAH!!!

 

And that's awesome because you know what you want going in and you know the results that will come.

People need to remember that power isn't cheap whether it's provided by a boosted V-6 or your choice of V-8's.

The biggest thing that stuns me right now is the new GM radio commercials touting that their V-8 gas mileage is better than Ford's Ecoboost V-6 and it can tow 11,500 lbs. People aren't going to pay attention to the sticker. To get the MPG's, it must be a 4x2 with 3.15's, then you lose the towing. To get t he heavy towing, you opt for the 3.73's then you lose the MPG's.

There's no doubt in my mind that if Ford were to give the 5.0L a DI treatment, it would be more powerful and more fuel efficient than the ecoboost and GM's DI 5.3L.

I think the next gen of F-series is going to be exciting.

 

Agreed. If a buyer does not educate themselves on what they are purchasing, they have no one to blame but themselves.

As Tim mentioned, you know what you are getting and what to expect from a performance and mileage aspect. I believe however that you wouldn't recommend the same setup for everyone who asked. BTW, how much longer is the wait for that unit?

Looking forward to seeing what innovations Ford has included in the new gen trucks

 

I think your boss is of the mindset if the 1/2 ton is not gonna get me any better mpg's as a 3/4 ton then screw it let me just drive the 3/4 ton and be done with it. Many who have this same issue find themselves in the same boat as your boss.

 

First off I think lighter weights, more mpg and better towing is great. BUT....I think most people are missing what is really happening here. The government has set the CAFE standards for the auto manufacturers to meet. These companies are spending a crap ton of money to meet those standards. The problem here is the basic concept of inflation. Pay more and costs go up. Here we are getting better mpg but fuel costs are going up. We are not winning the battle. There is a lot of talk about raising the federal gas tax as much as $0.33/gal due to the "unexpected" decrease in tax revenue.

At the end of the day buy what you like, as long as it is a ford lol, and the hell with everything else

 

That's a very good point we probably shouldn't forget. Living in Connecticut makes it hard to forget Big Government.

 

I agree its not for everyone, and i suppose its hard for me to imagine not knowing what i want like some buyers do. from first hearing of this engine combo i wanted it. But after driving all 3 engines in almost identical trucks the deal was sealed.

Funny you ask about how long, just this week he was talking about getting out of the lease early which would not be the best thing for me as i'd be paying more money. If all goes as planned the lease is up in August 2014 right at the 3 year mark. I'm supposed to detail it next weekend and i just rode in it a few days ago she is up to 19k miles now so i figure it might have 22-25k on it by August.

I btw am interested in how the new f-150 comes together. It's a hell of a competitive market share!!

 

I am sure you were meaning the same but I would like to also add this.... All of the auto manufacturers are forced to figure out ways to get better MPG. Which at this point in our current technology about the only thing you can do is get lighter and smaller. I mean really.... you can throw 4 turbos and all of the current fuel injection at a 4 cylinder and you will get the HP/TQ of a N/A V8(maybe more) but in the end if you are using all of that HP you are going to get the same MPG as the V8 and maybe worse. So they are trying to get smaller/lighter but still playing the HP wars and towing capacity wars. I think at some point it has to end. Eventually are you going to have a ranger sized/weight F-150 with 500hp/700tq that is rated to tow 15,000? To me that just does not sound safe but is really the direction they are having to go with the competition and standards enforced by our government.

In the end this is what is being forced upon us and the manufacturers but I'm not a fan to be honest. I currently drive a 6.2 f350. I know I will get between 8-16mpg and I am fine with that because I know it can safely tow what I want it to, and a little more.

 

I agree with you. many seem excited about 2015 F150,, but why,, is it because a new body shape or new grill, the Atlas will look nothing like there ready to roll out. Remember the Chief.. where is that truck. Like you said just because a engine got hp/tq to get the most out of it your gonna kill the mpgs just to use any of it. like you I chose to go the 6.2L so I can tow with a solid truck and not worry about it. I think the 15 will be catering to the grocery getter w/2.7L. And until ford fixes the IC issue I feel there are gonna be a new set of (guinea pigs) angry buyers.

 

I always love it when people say that. Cater to the "grocery getter". The 2.7L V6 is supposedly going to make 320 HP and 375 ft-lbs of torque. That's more horsepower and torque than the top-level V8 offered in the '09-'10 F150s. And that "grocery getter" was rated to tow 11,000 lbs.

Sorry, I just had to.

 

tom, ford hasn't said at what rpm range you got to be in to get the max hp/tq. there is no way someone is gonna get to that range w/o sacrificing MPG's. When I towed with my 3.5EB, for me to get the 425 tq range I watched my mpg drop like a hot potato down from 16 to 10 in a matter of a few miles. there designing the 2.7L for mpg increase not be a tow beast like the maxtow 3.5. Just cause there saying it has the hp/tq your gonna get it w/o sacrificing mpg's.