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I'm not a steering gear expert, but I've never heard of one that has anything of the sort. If that were the case a crooked steering wheel would cause a strong pull, and that wouldn't be safe.
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Right, it's the caster angle that pulls the steering wheel (well, the wheels themselves which are attached via the steering linkage to the steering wheel) back to center after taking a right a stop sign for example. The steering box itself simply transmits steering wheel inputs into the wheels and vice versa.
Most people notice too little caster angle (typically after a cheap and/or insufficiently designed bolt-on lift kit) when the truck seems to wander all over the road and won't return to center after a turn.
Most people notice too little caster angle (typically after a cheap and/or insufficiently designed bolt-on lift kit) when the truck seems to wander all over the road and won't return to center after a turn.
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The steering gear box is not self centering. Centering of the steering is reliant on the amount of positive caster.
I have seen a situation where a steering stabilizer did cause a "pull" to one side. In that case, the shock on the stabilizer was trying to extend. If you feel this might be an issue, disconnect the stabilizer and go for a short ride. This was on a single stabilizer, not a dual stabilizer. (BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in
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Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
My recommendation is to get a different suspension shop. They should not have let your truck leave the garage in that condition.
I have seen a situation where a steering stabilizer did cause a "pull" to one side. In that case, the shock on the stabilizer was trying to extend. If you feel this might be an issue, disconnect the stabilizer and go for a short ride. This was on a single stabilizer, not a dual stabilizer. (BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in
)Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
My recommendation is to get a different suspension shop. They should not have let your truck leave the garage in that condition.
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The steering gear box is not self centering. Centering of the steering is reliant on the amount of positive caster.
I have seen a situation where a steering stabilizer did cause a "pull" to one side. In that case, the shock on the stabilizer was trying to extend. If you feel this might be an issue, disconnect the stabilizer and go for a short ride. This was on a single stabilizer, not a dual stabilizer. (BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in)
Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
My recommendation is to get a different suspension shop. They should not have let your truck leave the garage in that condition.
I have seen a situation where a steering stabilizer did cause a "pull" to one side. In that case, the shock on the stabilizer was trying to extend. If you feel this might be an issue, disconnect the stabilizer and go for a short ride. This was on a single stabilizer, not a dual stabilizer. (BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in
)Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
My recommendation is to get a different suspension shop. They should not have let your truck leave the garage in that condition.
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BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in
Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
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Check your ride height if the steering shock doesn't pan out. It's a commonly ignored part of an alignment, since there's no adjustment per say. Just have to replace springs, bushings till it's back on an even keel.
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The steering gear box is not self centering. Centering of the steering is reliant on the amount of positive caster.
I have seen a situation where a steering stabilizer did cause a "pull" to one side. In that case, the shock on the stabilizer was trying to extend. If you feel this might be an issue, disconnect the stabilizer and go for a short ride. This was on a single stabilizer, not a dual stabilizer. (BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in)
Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
My recommendation is to get a different suspension shop. They should not have let your truck leave the garage in that condition.
I have seen a situation where a steering stabilizer did cause a "pull" to one side. In that case, the shock on the stabilizer was trying to extend. If you feel this might be an issue, disconnect the stabilizer and go for a short ride. This was on a single stabilizer, not a dual stabilizer. (BTW, the word is dual, as in more than one, not duel, as in
)Tires could also cause a pull to one side, but if you rotate them that pull should move with the offending tire. Different brands do not pull different directions.
My recommendation is to get a different suspension shop. They should not have let your truck leave the garage in that condition.
I appreciate where you guys are coming from, but here is one of the threads I had found previously stating that Toyos do indeed pull right. Here is a quote from the thread.
"Thanks for all of the info. After speaking with Toyo consumer relations, they then turned me over to one of their engineers who design the tires. He did state that these tires do create a right hand drift. Ford and Chevy have enough adjustment from the factory to compensate for it. Dodge is limited on adjustment parameters to compensate for the pull without doing modifications. Toyo actually recomended having the dealer contact them so they could get me out of these tires. My dealer has ordered the Cooper's for me and will take the Toyo's back. And yes these tires are really heavy. Enough that I can feel the difference between the two when accelerating and stopping. "
I do not think my pull is from my tires, but i just wanted to let you guys know that it definitely is a legitimate issue. It is supposed to warm up above 0*F today so I may put on the bibs and check out the stabilizer after work. I will let you guys know. I will also measure the ride height Chad. Thanks.
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Oh, some anonymous jackwad posted a story to an internet forum, so whatever it says must be true.
It's a bunch of horse ****, sir. Point me to a TSB from Toyo on that, give me some sort of documented source. It's complete BS. Moreover, if it were actually true, then you could unmount the tire, flip it around, and mount it the other way, and it would go away and/or cancel the other out. It won't. It's a silly assertion made by someone who was either knowingly misleading people, or he was making stuff up because he's convinced he's right, or he didn't really understand what he was told and regurgitated it poorly.
It's a bunch of horse ****, sir. Point me to a TSB from Toyo on that, give me some sort of documented source. It's complete BS. Moreover, if it were actually true, then you could unmount the tire, flip it around, and mount it the other way, and it would go away and/or cancel the other out. It won't. It's a silly assertion made by someone who was either knowingly misleading people, or he was making stuff up because he's convinced he's right, or he didn't really understand what he was told and regurgitated it poorly.
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Oh, some anonymous jackwad posted a story to an internet forum, so whatever it says must be true.
It's a bunch of horse ****, sir. Point me to a TSB from Toyo on that, give me some sort of documented source. It's complete BS. Moreover, if it were actually true, then you could unmount the tire, flip it around, and mount it the other way, and it would go away and/or cancel the other out. It won't. It's a silly assertion made by someone who was either knowingly misleading people, or he was making stuff up because he's convinced he's right, or he didn't really understand what he was told and regurgitated it poorly.
It's a bunch of horse ****, sir. Point me to a TSB from Toyo on that, give me some sort of documented source. It's complete BS. Moreover, if it were actually true, then you could unmount the tire, flip it around, and mount it the other way, and it would go away and/or cancel the other out. It won't. It's a silly assertion made by someone who was either knowingly misleading people, or he was making stuff up because he's convinced he's right, or he didn't really understand what he was told and regurgitated it poorly.
I'm, not trying to get into a pissing contest...but what you say doesn't make sense, these tires are not asymmetrical, and there is a generally accepted fact from numerous sources that Toyo M/T's do infact pull to the right. Here...see for yourself. As an aside, I t is still flipping cold here but I attempted to remove my stabilizer anyway...after ten minutes I gave up because I couldn't feel my fingers. The blasted stud is seized in the drag link. I'll get it this weekend when it warms up.
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My head is going to explode.
Let's say what you say is true. Toyo's pull "to the right". Now, since the tires are mounted facing left and facing right, that would mean the tires on the left side are pulling inward but the right side is pulling outward?
OK, one step further into Reductio ad absurdum....let's say the above scenario is true, then wouldn't rotating the tires left to right cause the pull to change to the left?
Let's say what you say is true. Toyo's pull "to the right". Now, since the tires are mounted facing left and facing right, that would mean the tires on the left side are pulling inward but the right side is pulling outward?
OK, one step further into Reductio ad absurdum....let's say the above scenario is true, then wouldn't rotating the tires left to right cause the pull to change to the left?
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My head is going to explode.
Let's say what you say is true. Toyo's pull "to the right". Now, since the tires are mounted facing left and facing right, that would mean the tires on the left side are pulling inward but the right side is pulling outward?
OK, one step further into Reductio ad absurdum....let's say the above scenario is true, then wouldn't rotating the tires left to right cause the pull to change to the left?
Let's say what you say is true. Toyo's pull "to the right". Now, since the tires are mounted facing left and facing right, that would mean the tires on the left side are pulling inward but the right side is pulling outward?
OK, one step further into Reductio ad absurdum....let's say the above scenario is true, then wouldn't rotating the tires left to right cause the pull to change to the left?
