Notices
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

Found a 9" Ford.....

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 18, 2013 | 05:58 PM
  #16  
Doc's Avatar
Doc
Logistics Pro
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,962
Likes: 261
From: East KY
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by Wayne Waldrep
Looked at the link you gave and see no Dana 41 gears yet. Shows Dana 44 but in that same thread Havi posted that the stock rear is a Dana 41. Shall I be torn on that one as well....hehe.

I'm going home.
So which rear end do you have? Are you certain it's a 4.27 ratio? Is it a Dana 41 or a Dana 44? Have you looked at the tag attached to the rear cover? Does it say "41" or "44" on the rear housing? Your truck is a 1949. It should have a Dana 41, and most of those were a 3.73.

I've talked to the folks at Randy's ring and pinion at least a couple times. They have no parts for a Dana 41.
 
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2013 | 06:07 PM
  #17  
ALBUQ F-1's Avatar
ALBUQ F-1
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 27,288
Likes: 1,053
From: NM
Originally Posted by old_dan
Hey Wayne,

You should get the 9" from you friend anyway. Open it up and check it out. If it's OK, you might be able to use it.
Exactly

The driveshaft will have to be shortened. I paid a local guy around $125 (I think) to shorten my driveshaft and put on the right yoke for the 9". ....

Dan
What trans did you originally have, that the DS had to be shortened? Mine came out to be 1" too short. I switched to a longer yoke on the new axle to make that up enough to get by. I really should have had the DS re-tubed, but that's a $200 hit.
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 11:56 AM
  #18  
Wayne Waldrep's Avatar
Wayne Waldrep
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 751
Likes: 0
From: Cuba, AL (NO internet)
Originally Posted by Doc
So which rear end do you have? Are you certain it's a 4.27 ratio? Is it a Dana 41 or a Dana 44? Have you looked at the tag attached to the rear cover? Does it say "41" or "44" on the rear housing? Your truck is a 1949. It should have a Dana 41, and most of those were a 3.73.

I've talked to the folks at Randy's ring and pinion at least a couple times. They have no parts for a Dana 41.
Doc....I'm going home after lunch and resolve this issue I hope. It's been over a year since I used all the info I found on this site to determine that I had a Dana 41 with 4.27 gears. I can't honestly say how I figured that out because I don't remember. What I do remember is while I had no bedwood in and was cleaning and painting the rear chassis, I checked the rear end to see what I had. Very confused right now since I find things like above and below. Below it clearly says “According to the shop manual for 49-50-51 the ratios available were 47/11=4.27 or 47/12=3.92”.....Above you say “ It should have a Dana 41, and most of those were a 3.73”....You have always been helpful to me and so has everyone else on here. Again I ask you guys not take my frustration personally because I totally do not mean to sound that way. I do ask you understand that it is impossible for me to determine anything with certainty when two reputable and knowledgeable members post completely opposite things for me to go by. Either the shop manual is correct or it's not. If I do have 3.73's then that would change my future gear choice...if it even happens now. I'll just take pics of what I have and look for casting numbers again.

This below is even confusing since ct50f1 quotes the shop manual as listing 47/11 for 4.27 and 47/12 for 3.92 then shows his tag that reads 51/13 for 3.92....why was that not in the shop manual???

Originally Posted by ct50f1
My '50 F-1 came with a Dana 41 rear axle with a ratio tag that reads W 51/13 which works out to 3.92.




According to the shop manual for 49-50-51 the ratios available were 47/11=4.27 or 47/12=3.92. Has anyone seen a setup like this before or have any idea about what type of vehicle the rear end might have come out of?
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 12:32 PM
  #19  
51PanelMan's Avatar
51PanelMan
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 7,669
Likes: 13
From: San Jose, CA
Don't believe everything you read in the manual or on the internet.
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 01:10 PM
  #20  
ALBUQ F-1's Avatar
ALBUQ F-1
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 27,288
Likes: 1,053
From: NM
Originally Posted by Wayne Waldrep
.... ct50f1 quotes the shop manual as listing 47/11 for 4.27 and 47/12 for 3.92 then shows his tag that reads 51/13 for 3.92....why was that not in the shop manual???
Because 53/13 was an optional ratio in '50 only, probably not a common one.
 
Attached Images  
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 01:12 PM
  #21  
Doc's Avatar
Doc
Logistics Pro
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,962
Likes: 261
From: East KY
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by 51PanelMan
Don't believe everything you read in the manual or on the internet.
LOL. Exactly!

Wayne, there's a misprint in the shop manual. There's another spot in the same book that correctly states 3.73 as an option for the 48-50's. Like you said, you need to crawl under that truck and look at your own rear end (lol, sounds kind of kinky, doesn't it). If you don't see the "41" and a tag that hopefully tells you what the ring and pinion ratio is, just simply take the rear cover off and count the teeth.
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 01:13 PM
  #22  
Doc's Avatar
Doc
Logistics Pro
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,962
Likes: 261
From: East KY
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Because 53/13 was an optional ratio in 48-50, probably not a common one.
And there you go! Ross is the man!
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 08:55 PM
  #23  
Wayne Waldrep's Avatar
Wayne Waldrep
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 751
Likes: 0
From: Cuba, AL (NO internet)
Two things are settled for me...Dana 41 with 3.92's is what I have...yes I verified it this time......and no rear end except the exact same one is a "bolt in." Nuff said. Thanks for all that replied. I'll settle the rest later myself...lol.....tired of fooling with it.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Dec 19, 2013 | 09:02 PM
  #24  
smallello's Avatar
smallello
Are we there yet?
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,098
Likes: 64
From: NW Valley AZ
Club FTE Silver Member

It may a little late to ask or you may have already answered this question but, why do you want to change the gears? Is it just too low for you?
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2013 | 09:21 AM
  #25  
Wayne Waldrep's Avatar
Wayne Waldrep
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 751
Likes: 0
From: Cuba, AL (NO internet)
Originally Posted by smallello
It may a little late to ask or you may have already answered this question but, why do you want to change the gears? Is it just too low for you?
truck is comfortable at 45-50mph....on the freeway....i'm not!!
most are driving 80 and a 30mph difference is asking to be hammered. My feelings and I'm sticking to em.
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2013 | 03:34 PM
  #26  
4tl8ford's Avatar
4tl8ford
Post Fiend
20 Year Member
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 7,493
Likes: 7
From: Erie, pa
Call Randy at Randy's Ring and Pinion
Give him the information about your rear end
Ask if there is a ring and pinion that will fit your rear end in or near the ratio that you desire

To everyone following this post - Always get a physical check of the rear type and the actual ratio that is installed - There may have been changes in the 60 years or so that they have been floating around - Then you can talk to a gear shop with confidence about your intentions
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2013 | 06:29 PM
  #27  
smallello's Avatar
smallello
Are we there yet?
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,098
Likes: 64
From: NW Valley AZ
Club FTE Silver Member

Originally Posted by Wayne Waldrep
truck is comfortable at 45-50mph....on the freeway....i'm not!!
most are driving 80 and a 30mph difference is asking to be hammered. My feelings and I'm sticking to em.
If you can only do 45-50 on the freeway you already answered the question. It really makes no difference what gears you have.

You can calculate what you need by using the tire diameter, speed and rpm to calculate the desired gear.
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2013 | 06:34 PM
  #28  
smallello's Avatar
smallello
Are we there yet?
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,098
Likes: 64
From: NW Valley AZ
Club FTE Silver Member

This one is good too:

Gear Calculators Courtesy of Richmond Gears
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2013 | 06:36 PM
  #29  
Wayne Waldrep's Avatar
Wayne Waldrep
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 751
Likes: 0
From: Cuba, AL (NO internet)
Originally Posted by smallello

If you can only do 45-50 on the freeway you already answered the question. It really makes no difference what gears you have.

You can calculate what you need by using the tire diameter, speed and rpm to calculate the desired gear.
Use this calculator to determine what you need.
I didn't say I COULDN'T go faster...i clearly said COMFORTABLE....Ive had the truck at 65MPH so whatever....anyway I'm not arguing about what I like or don't like about my own truck. My mustang came with 2.73s factory and I put 3.55s in for performance. But I have overdrive. Everyone on here constantly talks about needing overdrive or better highway gears. I want the same. End of story! If I want the 9" rear end to fit I'll make it fit.
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2013 | 06:48 PM
  #30  
smallello's Avatar
smallello
Are we there yet?
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,098
Likes: 64
From: NW Valley AZ
Club FTE Silver Member

My mistake I thought you asking for help with gears. If you just want a 9" then do that.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:12 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE