I hate to have to ask this here, but i'm having some trouble getting answers elsewhere. I just recently purchased a mid tower case that came with a 400w power supply to use with a Kadoka motherboard and AMD 1.7ghz cpu. The system is coming on fine...i've installed the RAM, but haven't gotten around to doing the drives yet, as i'm taking my time to get it right. The problem i'm having, is when i insert the cpu into its slot and attach the cooling fan, the power supply shuts down. (Note: I'm not inserting the cpu while the power is on!) I don't think i'm doing anything wrong as this is the "card" type cpu that amd makes so there are no pins to be bent upon inserting it into the mobo. Also i'm having problems getting the power switch on the front of the case to work, the lights light up but pushing the power buttons does nothing, only way of powering down is pulling the plug out the back.

Hopefully this isn't something major, and just something i've overlooked, if not, ill just have to send it to the shop and get it fixed there.

Thanks

 

Haven't used a card type CPU in a while, not familiar with what your referring to EXACTLY.

That said, and reason being is I've been using the intel chips as of late and the last amd chip I sold was a flip chip as well...


Anyway if its anything like the old SLOT II intel ones the problem a customer of mine had was that it wasn't pushed in far enough and then it did the exact same thing your talking about.


If you have a camera take me a picture or point me to the websites for the motherboard you have (model etc and the cpu you have. And I am 100% sure I will be able to trouble shoot that for you.


CK

 

Well, here's the pic of the cpu in its slot its seated fully as i can't get it to go in further. Sorry the pics are so dark, as my cam isn't the greatest.

I'm not certain of the mode numberl of the motherboard, but its a Kadoka, i think these boards are OEM for Gateway's.. wasn't bad for the price, and it is faster than what i have now .


Hope this helps ya.
CPU Pic

CPU Pic #2
Motherboard Pic 1
Motherboard Pic 2

 

I stand corrected guys, its not a 1.7ghz, its a 1.0 ghz processor, i didn't read everything in the manual, just mostly looked at the diagrams of how to install the thing. my bad if i threw any of you off.

 

yo d,
I saw a PC where the installer did not place an insulating strip under the MB before screwing it down; basically caused some closed (short) ckts and some open ckts.
My guess for now.
Hope you find the problem!

 

I'm beginning to belive i hosed the CPU as it did get hot, not certain how hot, but since it did get hot last night...then i imagine thats what the problem is. I wonder how much a new 1.0 ghz athlon cpu is gonna cost me...

 

nah, i doubt you did that.. i'd double check all your connections to everything, hard drives can do that sometimes if you have the jumpers screwed up

 

I'm not sure how you ended up submitting a computer question on a Ford Truck Enthusiast site, but I just happen to be interested in both Ford trucks and computers. There are about a million reasons for your computer exhibiting the problems you've described. Your best bet is to register with the Hardware Analysis web site and submit your questions in the forum section. Here's the URL.

www.hardwareanalysis.com

 

Thanks for the link hainsex... every now and then computer questions do pop up here on fte. Appreciate the link though, thanks!

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

 

I seem to recall something about installing the cooling fans on AMDs. If you dont do it verrrry carefully you can screw up the CPU. I dont remember any details though.

 

I wasn't aware that AMD still made the slot processors, I have an Athlon XP 1700+, that is a socket A, it and the mobo cost me 140 bucks from www.tigerdirect.com they are even cheaper now tho.

 

Ok so here is my 2 cents.


First regarding the heat issue:


The heat problem with AMD cpu's is an issue...BUT it would get hot enough that you would no you overheated it. If you were using a faulty fan/cpu combo then you could see that problem. Or if you did a test boot with no fan/heat sink you would have that problem.


Now I am having trouble with the clarity of the pictures but I am going to assume that the heatsink/fan is attached to the cpu on the sides.


Now making my prior assumptions I am going to tell you that the problem seems to be identical to the one we had with the guy setting up his own box and not pushing the cpu all the way in. (He is a software engineer but doesn't deal with hardware very often AT ALL and so was afraid to push on it at all) Sometimes you just have to get them in there just right.

So I would take it out, make sure that you get it in there all the way and that its in there. Then if you still dont have that problem try removing everything else and putting it back in.

If you have one thing not in there just right it will not start.


That's my best shot in the dark. If you were closer I'd just come over and do it for you (while you go out and tune the carb on my truck so it idles a littler better )


CK

 

I've pulled and reinserted the cpu about 20 different times today, so if it were going to work, it would have. perhaps the heatsink and fan slipped off last night while i was doing my testing. I didn't really notice and it could have happend...putting me in this situation.

Another oddity that i've noticed, is that you can "rock" the cpu side to side while its fully seated in its slot, i know this shouldn't be happening, but what could have caused this? As i know for certain it wasn't doing this last night.

When i bought the stuff a while back ,it was still in its box, never been used...so it is still new. I've never seen the "card" type cpus myself before, so this is new on me. I guess i'll be looking into buying a new cpu... maybe they've got something that'll work with my mobo that will allow it to go faster....but i highly doubt that without a mobo swap.

Thanks again for all the great advice guys, its helped immensly.

 

Oh as for the cpu being dead.


WARRANTY.


I've sent more then one thing back even if it shouldn't of gone back. Any reputable store wants to keep customers happy. But if its that old you probably got off ebay...in which case I would say to check the manufacturing dates and see if you can in fact send it back.


Cant hurt but...


for 100$CDN you can get a mobo with everything on board that supports a much faster chip...and I think a 1.7GHZ celeron cpu will be about another 100$CDN (give or take a few $ depending on the day) you have yourself a much faster setup...of course then you may need DDR ram :P But still. ALOT FASTER and not that much $.

Just a thought (Don't know if your US or CDN but either way its not going to be that much, even less if your US)


CK



*note

after typing this and hitting post I realized your american, so as previously stated it will be even cheaper.

 

Is the CPU locked down? I've never used the type CPU that you are talking about, but the ones on the motherboard have a locking lever that you have to push down.

As others have mentioned, I have seen this problem when the hard drive cable is put on backwards and also if the mother board is shorting out against the case.

When I run into a situation like this I take all the cards out of the motherboad and then take motherboard out of the case and lay it on an insulated surface, like a thin board or something laying across computer case. I put the video card back in and connect the monitor, speaker and the power leads to the motherboard. Then I turn it on and see if I get anything on the screen or get any beeps out of the speaker.

Usually the speaker will beep if the cpu, motherboard and power supply are working. Your book should tell you what the different codes mean. For instance 1 beep means it's trying to boot, 3 beeps might mean the video is bad and eight beeps might mean the memory is bad.

No beeps and no video means that your cpu, power supply or motherboard is bad.

If you get a beep and a message on the monitor then turn the computer off, hook up the hard drive and turn it on again. If you have an OS on the hard drive it should boot up. Keep turning it off, adding cards and turning it on untill you find the card that is causing the problem (assuming you get this far)