Extending time between Regens?
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From: Waco, Tx
I monitor the regens with the edge insight. I used to see 200 - 300 miles before a regen. Now I am at 90-100 miles per regen. This means it is in regen 10 percent of the time. I will try the lockout and I will stop PM 22 to see what happens.
How is the XPD fuel supplement with regens?
No problems with towing. I get a forced regen about every 500-600 miles.
How is the XPD fuel supplement with regens?
No problems with towing. I get a forced regen about every 500-600 miles.
Hotshot
Joined: Nov 2000
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From: Pflugerville, tx
ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up. I assumed that, but wasnt 100 percent sure. That explains why the one guy said he only saw it once very 900 miles and ive seen it 3 times in 1000, I tend to accelerate pretty hard, lol! Is the 2 second message flash normal? it said press ok to clear but it cleared itself before I could even press it. I noticed zero mileage change all three times.
you really shouldn't care anyhow.. once every 200-300 miles seems normal range. (3 times/1000 same)..
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yea I dont really care per say, I was just curious and trying to learn more about these as Im new to them and it had a button to clear it but then it cleared itself so fast, just making sure it was normal and not the start of some problem. Thinking of removing the whole emissions system in the future, not a huge fan of the urea crap and the regen cycles and added hassle. I know they are having some problems with them in the larger diesels in farm equipment with the regen cycles getting so hot they burn the machine down if they are dirty/dusty and I do farm and drive through fields and down prairie trials with tall grass from time to time, not too fond of a potential fire starter under the truck. Not sure how the truck works but the farm stuff gets something stupid crazy hot. I forget the exact number.
Hotshot
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From: Pflugerville, tx
yea I dont really care per say, I was just curious and trying to learn more about these as Im new to them and it had a button to clear it but then it cleared itself so fast, just making sure it was normal and not the start of some problem. Thinking of removing the whole emissions system in the future, not a huge fan of the urea crap and the regen cycles and added hassle. I know they are having some problems with them in the larger diesels in farm equipment with the regen cycles getting so hot they burn the machine down if they are dirty/dusty and I do farm and drive through fields and down prairie trials with tall grass from time to time, not too fond of a potential fire starter under the truck. Not sure how the truck works but the farm stuff gets something stupid crazy hot. I forget the exact number.
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yea I dont really care per say, I was just curious and trying to learn more about these as Im new to them and it had a button to clear it but then it cleared itself so fast, just making sure it was normal and not the start of some problem. Thinking of removing the whole emissions system in the future, not a huge fan of the urea crap and the regen cycles and added hassle. I know they are having some problems with them in the larger diesels in farm equipment with the regen cycles getting so hot they burn the machine down if they are dirty/dusty and I do farm and drive through fields and down prairie trials with tall grass from time to time, not too fond of a potential fire starter under the truck. Not sure how the truck works but the farm stuff gets something stupid crazy hot. I forget the exact number.
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exactly, making them things even hotter is not a good idea for my uses!
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Being on the farm, you probably need something you can monitor temps with.
When you see EGT14 (post dpf) at 1,100 degrees, probably shouldn't park in a grass field.
When you see EGT14 (post dpf) at 1,100 degrees, probably shouldn't park in a grass field.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Idaho
Regens
Right now my regens are just under a hundred miles. If I Take a long trip it will regen just about at 130 miles for a 400 mile tripe. I let most regens finish and I watch them via my EDGE Insight. If I'm towing heavy the filter is not a problem. The truck is at Drew Ford La Mesa CA right now. 13,500 on the odometer. I hope they find something. If They fail I will have to do something. If the warranty was out I would delete.
This kind of issues sucks. From what I can tell the sensors are all working correctly.
This kind of issues sucks. From what I can tell the sensors are all working correctly.
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From: Saskatoon, SK, CA
No, the H&S tuner will not monitor regens but they seemed to be more consistent after I installed the tuner- about every 400 miles or so. I ran the tuner for three months before I deleted everything. The only one I am aware of that monitors the soot level is the Edge.
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From: Lakehills, TX
Well that's annoying that a street tuner wouldn't monitor/reveal those levels. I can understand it, though, if they got their start specifically for deleting everything (where those values would go away entirely). Just wish they'd come back and add it for their street tuners.
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From: Roll Tide, Roll
Right now my regens are just under a hundred miles. If I Take a long trip it will regen just about at 130 miles for a 400 mile tripe. I let most regens finish and I watch them via my EDGE Insight. If I'm towing heavy the filter is not a problem. The truck is at Drew Ford La Mesa CA right now. 13,500 on the odometer. I hope they find something. If They fail I will have to do something. If the warranty was out I would delete.
This kind of issues sucks. From I can tell the sensors are all working correctly.
This kind of issues sucks. From I can tell the sensors are all working correctly.
Hope they fiqure yours out. If they do please post repair or pm me. Thanks Paul
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From: Colorado
dpf tests
Well, I have been reading all of the parameters that are checked by the PCM regarding the DPF. It looks as if all these parameters come back within the allotted time and the data is good, then no light = good.
DPF Frequent Regeneration Monitor
The DPF Frequent Regeneration monitor calculates the distance between aftertreatment regeneration events.
The distance between successive regeneration events is calculated and the average distance is calculated for the two most recent regeneration events. If the distance between regen events is below a threshold, a fault is indicated
DPF Filter Efficiency and Missing Substrate Monitors (this tests for the presents of the filter material in case we remove it. Probable one of the PIDS the H&S mini max supplies the PCM for DPF off operations)
The DPF is monitored to ensure no leaks have developed in the substrate and that the filter has not been removed.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor compares the measured pressure upstream of the DPF to a threshold whichis a function of volumetric exhaust flow. A counter increments when the pressure is below the threshold anddecrements when above the threshold. If the counter exceeds a threshold, a fault is indicated.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor also satisfies the requirement to monitor the DPF for leakage. No additional pcode is used.
DPF Incomplete Regeneration Monitor (the wrench will come at 2.0% of soot volume that normally triggers a DPF regen event, so I am guessing on a Edge CTS that would like 5.48 instead of 2.74 when mine regen usually kicks off)
The DPF Incomplete Regeneration monitor is used to detect an event where the DPF is not fully regenerated. If a
regeneration event is aborted due to duration and the restriction of the DPF is still above a threshold, a fault is
indicated. Upon the first occurrence of an incomplete regen, the system is put into a “degraded” regen mode.
Another regen will be forced in approximately 150 miles unless a normal regen is triggered by the soot load first
DPF Feedback Control Monitors
The system is monitored to ensure that closed loop control of the regeneration event is initiated within a reasonable
period of time. The monitor runs during a regeneration event and compares the time in closed loop control to the total time in regen. If the time in closed loop control is less than a threshold (a function of total time in regen), then a fault is indicated.
If the closed loop controller is saturated at its limits and the temperature is not within the desired limit, a timer will increment. If control is regained, the timer will decrement. At the end of the regeneration event, if this timer exceeds a threshold (a function of total time in regen), a fault is indicated
Note: Ford Motor Company 2011 diesel programs are using in-cylinder post injection to achieve regeneration, notexternal exhaust injection. The Post injection is monitored during this feedback monitor; there is no additional monitor for "active / intrusive injection"
DPF Restriction Monitor (This one will limit your speed and distance)
The DPF is monitored for conditions where it may be overloaded. The monitor compares the calculated restriction of the DPF to two thresholds. By exceeding the first threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light will be illuminated. By exceeding the second threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light and a MIL will be illuminated and engine output will be limited and EGR is disabled.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Soot Accumulation (P2463) (Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 1.5 times the normal value for soot load.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Forced Limited Power (P246C) (Immediate MIL and Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 2.0 times the normal value for soot load.
Hope this info helps...Mike
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DPF Frequent Regeneration Monitor
The DPF Frequent Regeneration monitor calculates the distance between aftertreatment regeneration events.
The distance between successive regeneration events is calculated and the average distance is calculated for the two most recent regeneration events. If the distance between regen events is below a threshold, a fault is indicated
DPF Filter Efficiency and Missing Substrate Monitors (this tests for the presents of the filter material in case we remove it. Probable one of the PIDS the H&S mini max supplies the PCM for DPF off operations)
The DPF is monitored to ensure no leaks have developed in the substrate and that the filter has not been removed.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor compares the measured pressure upstream of the DPF to a threshold whichis a function of volumetric exhaust flow. A counter increments when the pressure is below the threshold anddecrements when above the threshold. If the counter exceeds a threshold, a fault is indicated.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor also satisfies the requirement to monitor the DPF for leakage. No additional pcode is used.
DPF Incomplete Regeneration Monitor (the wrench will come at 2.0% of soot volume that normally triggers a DPF regen event, so I am guessing on a Edge CTS that would like 5.48 instead of 2.74 when mine regen usually kicks off)
The DPF Incomplete Regeneration monitor is used to detect an event where the DPF is not fully regenerated. If a
regeneration event is aborted due to duration and the restriction of the DPF is still above a threshold, a fault is
indicated. Upon the first occurrence of an incomplete regen, the system is put into a “degraded” regen mode.
Another regen will be forced in approximately 150 miles unless a normal regen is triggered by the soot load first
DPF Feedback Control Monitors
The system is monitored to ensure that closed loop control of the regeneration event is initiated within a reasonable
period of time. The monitor runs during a regeneration event and compares the time in closed loop control to the total time in regen. If the time in closed loop control is less than a threshold (a function of total time in regen), then a fault is indicated.
If the closed loop controller is saturated at its limits and the temperature is not within the desired limit, a timer will increment. If control is regained, the timer will decrement. At the end of the regeneration event, if this timer exceeds a threshold (a function of total time in regen), a fault is indicated
Note: Ford Motor Company 2011 diesel programs are using in-cylinder post injection to achieve regeneration, notexternal exhaust injection. The Post injection is monitored during this feedback monitor; there is no additional monitor for "active / intrusive injection"
DPF Restriction Monitor (This one will limit your speed and distance)
The DPF is monitored for conditions where it may be overloaded. The monitor compares the calculated restriction of the DPF to two thresholds. By exceeding the first threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light will be illuminated. By exceeding the second threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light and a MIL will be illuminated and engine output will be limited and EGR is disabled.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Soot Accumulation (P2463) (Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 1.5 times the normal value for soot load.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Forced Limited Power (P246C) (Immediate MIL and Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 2.0 times the normal value for soot load.
Hope this info helps...Mike
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Laughing Gas
Joined: Jul 2010
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From: Idaho
Well, I have been reading all of the parameters that are checked by the PCM regarding the DPF. It looks as if all these parameters come back within the allotted time and the data is good, then no light = good.
DPF Frequent Regeneration Monitor
The DPF Frequent Regeneration monitor calculates the distance between aftertreatment regeneration events.
The distance between successive regeneration events is calculated and the average distance is calculated for the two most recent regeneration events. If the distance between regen events is below a threshold, a fault is indicated
DPF Filter Efficiency and Missing Substrate Monitors (this tests for the presents of the filter material in case we remove it. Probable one of the PIDS the H&S mini max supplies the PCM for DPF off operations)
The DPF is monitored to ensure no leaks have developed in the substrate and that the filter has not been removed.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor compares the measured pressure upstream of the DPF to a threshold whichis a function of volumetric exhaust flow. A counter increments when the pressure is below the threshold anddecrements when above the threshold. If the counter exceeds a threshold, a fault is indicated.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor also satisfies the requirement to monitor the DPF for leakage. No additional pcode is used.
DPF Incomplete Regeneration Monitor (the wrench will come at 2.0% of soot volume that normally triggers a DPF regen event, so I am guessing on a Edge CTS that would like 5.48 instead of 2.74 when mine regen usually kicks off)
The DPF Incomplete Regeneration monitor is used to detect an event where the DPF is not fully regenerated. If a
regeneration event is aborted due to duration and the restriction of the DPF is still above a threshold, a fault is
indicated. Upon the first occurrence of an incomplete regen, the system is put into a “degraded” regen mode.
Another regen will be forced in approximately 150 miles unless a normal regen is triggered by the soot load first
DPF Feedback Control Monitors
The system is monitored to ensure that closed loop control of the regeneration event is initiated within a reasonable
period of time. The monitor runs during a regeneration event and compares the time in closed loop control to the total time in regen. If the time in closed loop control is less than a threshold (a function of total time in regen), then a fault is indicated.
If the closed loop controller is saturated at its limits and the temperature is not within the desired limit, a timer will increment. If control is regained, the timer will decrement. At the end of the regeneration event, if this timer exceeds a threshold (a function of total time in regen), a fault is indicated
Note: Ford Motor Company 2011 diesel programs are using in-cylinder post injection to achieve regeneration, notexternal exhaust injection. The Post injection is monitored during this feedback monitor; there is no additional monitor for "active / intrusive injection"
DPF Restriction Monitor (This one will limit your speed and distance)
The DPF is monitored for conditions where it may be overloaded. The monitor compares the calculated restriction of the DPF to two thresholds. By exceeding the first threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light will be illuminated. By exceeding the second threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light and a MIL will be illuminated and engine output will be limited and EGR is disabled.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Soot Accumulation (P2463) (Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 1.5 times the normal value for soot load.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Forced Limited Power (P246C) (Immediate MIL and Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 2.0 times the normal value for soot load.
Hope this info helps...Mike
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DPF Frequent Regeneration Monitor
The DPF Frequent Regeneration monitor calculates the distance between aftertreatment regeneration events.
The distance between successive regeneration events is calculated and the average distance is calculated for the two most recent regeneration events. If the distance between regen events is below a threshold, a fault is indicated
DPF Filter Efficiency and Missing Substrate Monitors (this tests for the presents of the filter material in case we remove it. Probable one of the PIDS the H&S mini max supplies the PCM for DPF off operations)
The DPF is monitored to ensure no leaks have developed in the substrate and that the filter has not been removed.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor compares the measured pressure upstream of the DPF to a threshold whichis a function of volumetric exhaust flow. A counter increments when the pressure is below the threshold anddecrements when above the threshold. If the counter exceeds a threshold, a fault is indicated.
The DPF Missing Substrate monitor also satisfies the requirement to monitor the DPF for leakage. No additional pcode is used.
DPF Incomplete Regeneration Monitor (the wrench will come at 2.0% of soot volume that normally triggers a DPF regen event, so I am guessing on a Edge CTS that would like 5.48 instead of 2.74 when mine regen usually kicks off)
The DPF Incomplete Regeneration monitor is used to detect an event where the DPF is not fully regenerated. If a
regeneration event is aborted due to duration and the restriction of the DPF is still above a threshold, a fault is
indicated. Upon the first occurrence of an incomplete regen, the system is put into a “degraded” regen mode.
Another regen will be forced in approximately 150 miles unless a normal regen is triggered by the soot load first
DPF Feedback Control Monitors
The system is monitored to ensure that closed loop control of the regeneration event is initiated within a reasonable
period of time. The monitor runs during a regeneration event and compares the time in closed loop control to the total time in regen. If the time in closed loop control is less than a threshold (a function of total time in regen), then a fault is indicated.
If the closed loop controller is saturated at its limits and the temperature is not within the desired limit, a timer will increment. If control is regained, the timer will decrement. At the end of the regeneration event, if this timer exceeds a threshold (a function of total time in regen), a fault is indicated
Note: Ford Motor Company 2011 diesel programs are using in-cylinder post injection to achieve regeneration, notexternal exhaust injection. The Post injection is monitored during this feedback monitor; there is no additional monitor for "active / intrusive injection"
DPF Restriction Monitor (This one will limit your speed and distance)
The DPF is monitored for conditions where it may be overloaded. The monitor compares the calculated restriction of the DPF to two thresholds. By exceeding the first threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light will be illuminated. By exceeding the second threshold for a sufficient period of time, a wrench light and a MIL will be illuminated and engine output will be limited and EGR is disabled.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Soot Accumulation (P2463) (Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 1.5 times the normal value for soot load.
Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction – Forced Limited Power (P246C) (Immediate MIL and Wrench Light)
Calculated normalized restriction is 2.0 times the normal value for soot load.
Hope this info helps...Mike
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Thank you for the info..
Right now my average is just at 92 miles between regens on the last 5. I have made sure I have finish the last 5 regens.
I measure it by marking the end of the regen and marking the start of the regen. Soot go down correctly that not the problem. The problem is how fast it builds. I would say the truck is blowing smoke but I can't see it.
This is the first trip in. I hope for the best, I don't want to delete but I don't have any option if ford fails me on this.
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From: Lancaster, CA
Right now my regens are just under a hundred miles. If I Take a long trip it will regen just about at 130 miles for a 400 mile tripe. I let most regens finish and I watch them via my EDGE Insight. If I'm towing heavy the filter is not a problem. The truck is at Drew Ford La Mesa CA right now. 13,500 on the odometer. I hope they find something. If They fail I will have to do something. If the warranty was out I would delete.
This kind of issues sucks. From what I can tell the sensors are all working correctly.
This kind of issues sucks. From what I can tell the sensors are all working correctly.
Keep me posted if Ford finds anything with your truck. Mineseems to behave similarly. Doing my normal 32 highway mile commute to work eachday, it tends to start a regen cycle after only about 50 miles (10 miles ofregen, 50 miles driving, then restart the regen cycle). It’s been doing thisfor 2 months. When towing my 9000lb TT, I have no issues, and might see 1x 200miles… sometimes more. When I was going long distances unloaded (only did thatduring break-in back in May), it would regen about every 120 miles.
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