Fifth Wheel Capacity
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Fifth Wheel Capacity
This has no doubt been addressed in the past, but I'm special so need extra special help. 
Specs: 2011 Super Duty crew cab diesel. Dually. Rear axle ratio 3.73. Has 13,000 GVWR package. Airbags, 5000 pounds each.
Front GAWR: 5600
Rear GAWR: 9000
GVWR: 13,000
GCWR: 30,000 (per the Ford towing guide for 2011 Super Duty fifth wheel towing crew cab)
Max loaded fifth wheel trailer weight: 21,500 (per the same Ford towing guide)
Those are the stats for the truck.
Now, the fifth wheel is a toy hauler fully loaded weighing in at 19,500 pounds. Triple axle. Hitch weight is 3,900 pounds.
QUESTION: Do I have enough truck for this trailer? It would appear so from the numbers, but I'm not sure.
I've been trying to figure this out, and not getting anywhere fast. I see a lot of people pulling big fifth wheels with F250s. Or 2500s. Single rear wheel, too. Seems a bit on the daredevil side to me.
Maybe I should trade in the truck for a Peterbuilt?
Any help or thoughts on this is appreciated. If I need to add more info, let me know. Thanks.
Specs: 2011 Super Duty crew cab diesel. Dually. Rear axle ratio 3.73. Has 13,000 GVWR package. Airbags, 5000 pounds each.
Front GAWR: 5600
Rear GAWR: 9000
GVWR: 13,000
GCWR: 30,000 (per the Ford towing guide for 2011 Super Duty fifth wheel towing crew cab)
Max loaded fifth wheel trailer weight: 21,500 (per the same Ford towing guide)
Those are the stats for the truck.
Now, the fifth wheel is a toy hauler fully loaded weighing in at 19,500 pounds. Triple axle. Hitch weight is 3,900 pounds.
QUESTION: Do I have enough truck for this trailer? It would appear so from the numbers, but I'm not sure.
I've been trying to figure this out, and not getting anywhere fast. I see a lot of people pulling big fifth wheels with F250s. Or 2500s. Single rear wheel, too. Seems a bit on the daredevil side to me.
Maybe I should trade in the truck for a Peterbuilt?
Any help or thoughts on this is appreciated. If I need to add more info, let me know. Thanks.
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I have two stickers in my door. The yellow one tells me the tire dimensions but also the max cargo weight which for me is 2280lbs.
From everything I have read the payload is always the limiting factor before total pulling weight so as long as my family + gear + pin weight do not exceed 2280 I should be fine. Not sure if this works for a dually too.
From everything I have read the payload is always the limiting factor before total pulling weight so as long as my family + gear + pin weight do not exceed 2280 I should be fine. Not sure if this works for a dually too.
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I re-read that. Your combined weight rating is 19,500 and the RV alone does that; the truck probably figures for another 7000 lbs. A lots of things are possible but this is definitely not recommended and possibly illegal in your area.
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So, maybe I've answered my own questions, based on the Ford towing guide from 2011:
GCWR is 30,000. Trailer loaded plus truck loaded is 27,000. I'm at 90% capacity.
Final answer: Yes. I have enough truck for this trailer. But just barely. I only have a 10% margin for error. At least I'm not maxed out or overloaded. Will sleep better tonight, after answering this bothersome question. Unless someone throws in some facts that skew my info.
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It's looking good. Do find your yellow sticker or get to a scale to find out how much payload you can add to the rear.
Mine has a rear GAWR of 6100lbs but I end up with just 2280lbs or payload capacity.
Yours is going to be slightly heavyer as a dually but starting from 9000 you probably have enough for a 3900lbs pin weight + whatever is in the trailer of which 25% would be pin weight on a well balanced load.
Mine has a rear GAWR of 6100lbs but I end up with just 2280lbs or payload capacity.
Yours is going to be slightly heavyer as a dually but starting from 9000 you probably have enough for a 3900lbs pin weight + whatever is in the trailer of which 25% would be pin weight on a well balanced load.
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If your 5er hitch is 3900 lbs (loaded ?) , then 3900 lbs becomes your "payload" in the box . The balance of the 5er (19500 - 3900 = 15600 Lbs) is your trailer weight .
Your GVWR with 5er hitch attached must be less than 13000Lb (no problem there) .Your 5er rating 21,900 (yours loaded 19500 ) you are OK in that department too . Your GCWR of 30KLbs is plenty to cover your 5er and truck .
It seems you are within your stated specs .
(My 2003 would be overloaded though .Its GVWR: 9800 , max.5er weight: 13,800 Lbs ).
Your GVWR with 5er hitch attached must be less than 13000Lb (no problem there) .Your 5er rating 21,900 (yours loaded 19500 ) you are OK in that department too . Your GCWR of 30KLbs is plenty to cover your 5er and truck .
It seems you are within your stated specs .
(My 2003 would be overloaded though .Its GVWR: 9800 , max.5er weight: 13,800 Lbs ).
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If your 5er hitch is 3900 lbs (loaded ?) , then 3900 lbs becomes your "payload" in the box . The balance of the 5er (19500 - 3900 = 15600 Lbs) is your trailer weight .
Your GVWR with 5er hitch attached must be less than 13000Lb (no problem there) .Your 5er rating 21,900 (yours loaded 19500 ) you are OK in that department too . Your GCWR of 30KLbs is plenty to cover your 5er and truck .
It seems you are within your stated specs .
(My 2003 would be overloaded though .Its GVWR: 9800 , max.5er weight: 13,800 Lbs ).
Your GVWR with 5er hitch attached must be less than 13000Lb (no problem there) .Your 5er rating 21,900 (yours loaded 19500 ) you are OK in that department too . Your GCWR of 30KLbs is plenty to cover your 5er and truck .
It seems you are within your stated specs .
(My 2003 would be overloaded though .Its GVWR: 9800 , max.5er weight: 13,800 Lbs ).
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