Have any of you subscribed to FordMuscle and read all of this: 400 Cleveland Build? If it is really good I'd pop for the $20 to subscribe, but I can't tell from the first page.

And, by the way, I'm not trying to fuel the Cleveland discussion, although I did notice the name of the piece.

 

try the stickies at the top of this forum. Pretty sure it's all there-have a look, should save your cash.

 

That's where/how I found it in the first place. But it only lets you get to the first page, a teaser, and says "Subscription required" when you try to get to any of the other pages. So, last night I plunked down my $20 and subscribed. Read the whole of the article and discovered that all they did was to build the engine. They didn't run it, much less put it on a dyno. That was supposed to happen in Part Deaux but I have yet to find it.

Seems to fit perfectly with the way restoration of the rest of the truck is going. I hired a guy to do the body work and he was making good progress, and getting paid as well, but had some personal issues come up and has had to stop. Hopefully it is just a temporary stop, but I've paid the majority of the money and the truck is in pieces. Took the seats to an upholstery shop that has done good work for others, but the results in my case were hideous - wrinkled, seams not straight, pieces not shaped correctly and put in at an angle. So bad I took the from that shop straight to another - after paying the last of the agreed price. So, the FordMuscle thing seems to fit right in.

 

check out jon kaase enginemasters 2008. 400 extreme. Said it made 515ftlb torque at 2500 rpms, thats pissed off. I want one, need to build something?????

 

I had printed out the entire thing once; for some time there, you could click on individual page numbers and get them without having a subscription whereas clicking "Next" asked for money (or vice-versa, I forget).

 

They seem to have figured it out as I couldn't get in any way I tried. Then, when I paid my $20 I found that I really didn't need to get in.

Same experience I had on Angie's List. The upholstery shop I went to first was said to have been a member of AL for 10 years, but the results or feedback wasn't available until I subscribed. So, $20 later I found that there was no feedback for that shop. There is now.

 

.. Yeah, I spent a couple hours one day recently going through their site looking for the promised dyno followup to that old 400C article, but never found it... thought maybe it was like Hot Rod magazine website wherein if you pay for a subscription/membership, more pages of an article or restricted articles show up...

.. Their 400C build left me when they went with custom Probe piston$ and a prolly too big for most trucks 230/230 cam which would be weak under 3500 RPMs and also want high RPMs/12:1 compression ratio to work fully...

 

Yep. It isn't there. They got my money once, but never again. More like Ford Louse than Ford Muscle.

 

Ok as long as you spent your money, check out this article.
We were involved in this one.
Ford 400 and 351M Performance Upgrades and Parts - FordMuscle

 

Glad to see you on, Tim. Just saw your post about not having pistons. That may cause me to have a problem as I'll start my build early in the new year. You won't remember, but we've talked at least twice about my plans. I've worked them out and they include Edelbrock heads, so I'm going to need the pistons, for sure. Still debating about the rotating assembly - I don't have a crank so that looks attractive.

As for the Ford Louse article, I've read it several times. Good stuff. I was glad to see that someone showed Hot Rod up. And, I'm glad the 400, if not the M, is getting some friendly press. But, not all pubs are as friendly - or maybe I should say unbiased. Was in Barnes & Noble today itching to buy something. Picked up a fairly recent, 2010, book by George Reid entitled High Performance Ford Engine Parts Interchange and thumbed through it. Stumbled onto the very brief section on the M/400 wherein he said something to the effect of "don't bother" and I put it back on the shelf.

 

We were involved in writing that book.
I was also asked to proof read it.
One of the issues I had was there are many opinions on building an engine and I felt like I could not ask to remove some excerpts because I don't do it that way.
I have heard of a few opinions, like the one you mentioned, that could have been pulled. But I admit I missed it in the proof reading.
All in all I think it was a very good book. Large majority of the book has great stuff, but true not %100 what I would agree with.

 

I understand, but I make it a rule not to buy books which say things I know to be wrong. The reason being that if I can't believe the author on one thing then what else must I disregard. In other words, I can't trust anything he says.

It is one thing to make an error in specifications as that may well have been just that - an error. A typo. But when it comes to opinion, like saying "don't bother", you know that all the author's recommendations are biased in a way you don't agree with. So I didn't buy that book and probably won't buy many, if any, more of his books. If you get a chance to pass that on to him I would appreciate it. I buy books for facts, not opinions.

 

. LOL! As we get older, we find more and more mistakes about vehicles and engines from the 1950's - 1980's era in books and magazine articles written by authors who weren't even born yet in that era... especially in Hemming's MuscleCar magazine such as: 'pass up this 1970 Camaro at auction, owner claims it has an LT1 instead of the 360HP 350" that should be there' ... LOL ... (1970 "LT1" was the 360HP carb'd 350" for you non-Chevy fans, there was also an "LT1" EFI 350" 275-305netHP engine later starting about 1990)

. BTW, membership isn't required to read all of that 2nd article Tim linked to up above...

 

Seems to be a really good book and lots of info. shows alot of whats out their with the clevelands yes Tim meyer and Mpg and kaase and others are in their. good read and reference info to check into.

 

Wyoming - I have the Ford 351 Cleveland book, and it is good but it isn't the one we are talking about. The one we are talking about is . It was written by George Reid, as was the Cleveland book and several others on my bookshelf. But I'm starting to realize that his books are shot full of opinions rather than fact, and I don't agree with his opinion, so....