Ok I know some of the answers I'll get here from reading other towing threads. I wanted some 6.7 guys advice.

We have a Puma tt that comes in about 11,500lbs loaded out.
Looking at getting a fifth wheel toy hauler so we can take the toys with when camping.

Now the decisions are the two we are looking at are both toy haulers one is 17,000 lbs but about 19,000 loaded out.
The other is about 20,000lbs loaded out.
Just curious if the 6.7 F250 can handle that much weight realistically.
I need to upgrade my rims as the xd badlands are only rated for just over 4000lbs.

I'm looking for real world experience here. I've put so much work, money and time into my truck I'd hate to have to trade it in on a F350. But most of the stuff I've done could be moved over to the new truck except for the lift.

Anybody run into this situation that can offer some advice?

 

I am not a 6.7 owner but I will chime in anyway as I do have a F250. I tow my 5er with it all over. I come in just over 23K combined.

Things that I watch are tires and rim capacity and axle capacities. toy haulers are very king pin heavy and I am concerned that the king (that goes against payload) for any of them maybe just too much.

I think you will run out of tire payload capacity quickly. See what your combined is for the tires. You already know the rims are weak and need to be replaced..probably have to go back to OEM for that.

 

Most ratings go with an average of 20%(15-25% depending on mfr) trailer weight for the pin weight. Do the math. On a 16-19k trailer not only look at the payload capacity of an F250, and rear axle weight ratings, but like Senix said the tire and wheel ratings too. Also, toy haulers are special. Once they are loaded, it takes weight off of the pin unlike a traditional 5th wheel. Some bigger toy haulers actually have a reasonable pin weight once loaded. Just depends on your setup and if you are comfortable being overweight(if in fact that is the case). Also, your 4" lift may come into play on some THs. It may sit nose high which can cause uneven weight problems with the trailer axles and you may have problems with the rear of the bed clearance. It all depends on how the toyhauler is made. Just something to think about.

 

Agree with both previous responders. At a max of 19 - 20k of gross weight you will have a king pin weight of around 4K, which I believe is excessive for a F250, which is one reason I went to a F350 DRW. If you search the forums here you will find that quite a few guys have complained about the sagging of the F250 when you put a bunch of weight in the bed, which is something to consider.

And as Golf had mentioned about your lift, this creates an issue for a 5er. With a TT you can just get a drop hitch to offset your lift and pull your TT level. However on a 5er you can offset some of the lift by raising your pin but only a few inches. Problem with this is while you bring your nose of the 5er down to be more level you lose clearance between your bed and camper. When you pull into a lot that has a descent grade or slope this may cause your camper to hit the top of your bed. This is the delemma that I have too. I want to jack my F350 up, I think I could safely gain 2 inches between adjusting the hitch and kingpin, but am considering 2-3 inch blocks (lift) on the trailer, this should get me pretty level. But it is still under review as this could make possibly make the trailer slightly unsteady as it would be a little more "top-heavy". It is under review.

With all that said, after pulling TTs for 5 years and moved to a 5er, the tow is simply awesome. I actually almost made a turn to sharp as I forgot it was back there.....seriously.

 

I rarely comment on trailer weight threads because I'm pretty sure I'm overweight with my own 5er at 12,500 ish, but I think you're going to be WAY overweight. That's 350 DRW territory.

 

Will the truck pull it and stop it? Probably. But you're going to be over the trucks GVWR, RAWR, and the maximum tow capacity listed by Ford. I'd be a bit concerned with a lifted truck with that kind of weight behind it. I don't remember what the 250's tow cap was for 13, but the 350 SRW was around 15,700. The 13 350 dually was rated at 22,500 or 22,800 I think. I don't know what gears are in your current truck, but your going to be working the engine and trans harder even if you have 3.55's when you combine the larger tires and that kind of weight, you'd be better with a regear to 3.73.

Either of those trailers, you're in dually territory, plain and simple. If you want to make it work with your current truck, I'd be looking at lighter trailers.

 

Yeah might check the Ford dealership tomorrow to see what kind of deal I could get on a F350.
I'm pretty sure most of the things I did to my truck could be transferred over to the new truck. But I guess my two brand new tuners will have to be sold as they are for previous to the '13 models.

We'll have to see how it plays out.

The used one we saw today was being pulled by the guys chevy 2500 with the camper package. He said it towed actually pretty well. I had to show him the weight placard on his trailer. He thought his trailer was about 12,500 loaded. It said 17,500 dry.

Thanks for the opinions guys and not judging. Just facts is what I was looking for and that's what you gave me. I really appreciate it.

 

This is where loading up the truck and trailer as if you were to travel and going to the CAT scales will be important.
That way, no more guessing.

 

One thing you have to remember, if you get into a wreck and the cops say your over loaded you'r insurance could dump you and you could also be cited. Acouple thousand loss now could be cheap in the long run.

 

My f250 has no problems towing 18,000 lbs. with the gooseneck while towing my backhoe. While towing the toyhauler which is only 16,000 lbs. I have a little more sway, do to the height of the camper (catching wind, ect.) and the longer distance to to axles add more pin weight. I would suggest getting the f350 just for the sidewall stability with the tires controlling the sway.

 

Looking at the 2012 Ford Super Duty specifications ( Ford Factory brochure)
the max loaded trailer weight ratings ( lbs) for a F 250 crew Cab SRW is 15,200 lbs. The F 350 Crew Cab SRW lists 15,700 lbs. My Montana 5th wheel empty is 10,800 and my truck has a GVWR of 11,500 to cover the pin weight of my 5th wheel.

IM sure there are people pulling 18 - 19000 lbs with a F 250 and F 350 but those weights are over the capacity of a SWR Super Duty. You need a dually if you want to SAFELY pull those weights you are considering. I bought a F 350 with the high GVWR and IM comfortable with towing my 36' 5th wheel.

 

17,500 is pretty heavy for a dry weight. I have a 42' Fuzion and it's only a little over 14,000 dry with an 18,000 GVWR.

 

Our 2013 f350 SRW is only rated for 15,700. You would be over your weight ratings by a good bit all the way around. Find a smaller (lighter) trailer or take a bath on your 250. Our '13 350 pulls our ~9500# fifth like a dream compared to the previous 7.3l truck.

FWIW - You need a DRW 350 for those trailers. That's a lot of weight, and the pin weight when unloaded is going to be up there.

Safe travels!

 

Sorry the GAWR was 17,500.

It started raining while outside it so that was abbreviated.

 

Be safe, invest in the F350 DRW.