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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:09 AM
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Caster/Camber??

Ordering some new XRF ball joints to replace worn out ones on my truck. So guess my questions are where exactly are these on my suspension (caster/camber)? Can't seem to find a "how to" replace these in my searches. Per my alignment guy i need a new Caster so doing all this myself and having him do the alignment.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:34 AM
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Langpie. Camber is how far your tire is leaned in or out. Caster is how far forward or back from suspension points your wheel is. You don't buy them, just adjust. Do a quick google search for better explanation
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Langpie
Ordering some new XRF ball joints to replace worn out ones on my truck. So guess my questions are where exactly are these on my suspension (caster/camber)? Can't seem to find a "how to" replace these in my searches. Per my alignment guy i need a new Caster so doing all this myself and having him do the alignment.
Which model truck do you have?

Here are the pages from the service manual.

One pdf file works for F-250/350 4x4 and F-450/550 (all models)
The other works for F-250/350 4x2 trucks.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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Langpie. Camber is how far your tire is leaned in or out. Caster is how far forward or back from suspension points your wheel is. You don't buy them, just adjust. Do a quick google search for better explanation
I did a lot of goggle searches... looking for what these actually look like and where are they on my truck. He said I have and aftermarket Caster, believe it wasnt adjustable. Could be wrong. And I know I cant do the alignment, just looking to see how these are replaced and how to check them.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Shake-N-Bake
Which model truck do you have?

Here are the pages from the service manual.

One pdf file works for F-250/350 4x4 and F-450/550 (all models)
The other works for F-250/350 4x2 trucks.
Sorry, 01 F350 4x4
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Shake-N-Bake
Which model truck do you have?

Here are the pages from the service manual.

One pdf file works for F-250/350 4x4 and F-450/550 (all models)
The other works for F-250/350 4x2 trucks.
Is the Caster on top? Camber on bottom?
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Langpie
Is the Caster on top? Camber on bottom?
Caster and Camber are measurements or settings. Those terms do not describe anything that you can hold in your hand or purchase anywhere.

The camber setting is regulated by a specifically sized bushing that is located in the upper ball joint socket. You change that bushing to adjust the reading. Zero camber is when the wheel is perfectly straight up and down (90 degree angle to the pavement). A negative camber is when the top of the tire leans in towards the vehicle. Positive camber is when the top of the tire leans away from the vehicle. The alignment shop uses the appropriate sized bushing to achieve the desired settings.

The caster setting describes the angle of pivot when the wheels are turned. Since your truck is a 4x4, that setting is built into the components and not adjustable.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shake-N-Bake
Caster and Camber are measurements or settings. Those terms do not describe anything that you can hold in your hand or purchase anywhere.

The camber setting is regulated by a specifically sized bushing that is located in the upper ball joint socket. You change that bushing to adjust the reading. Zero camber is when the wheel is perfectly straight up and down (90 degree angle to the pavement). A negative camber is when the top of the tire leans in towards the vehicle. Positive camber is when the top of the tire leans away from the vehicle. The alignment shop uses the appropriate sized bushing to achieve the desired settings.

The caster setting describes the angle of pivot when the wheels are turned. Since your truck is a 4x4, that setting is built into the components and not adjustable.
Ahh ok thanks! So could the worn out ball joints be why the alignment can't get 100% "right"? And are these bushings something I can look at and see if they need replaced? Or will the alignment guy have to do that? Just not wanting to pay 3 hours labor just to adjust these for an alignment.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 12:56 PM
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Jack your front end off the ground to where you have 1 inch ground clearance under the tire and put a crowbar under the tire and move the tire up and down while looking at the ball joints. If you have any up/down movement on the ball joint then they need to be replaced. I took mine to ford because I didnt have the press to press in and out the old and new ones. Cost me $900.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by robbragiel
Jack your front end off the ground to where you have 1 inch ground clearance under the tire and put a crowbar under the tire and move the tire up and down while looking at the ball joints. If you have any up/down movement on the ball joint then they need to be replaced. I took mine to ford because I didnt have the press to press in and out the old and new ones. Cost me $900.
Oh I know I need new ball joints. Have a ball joint press, just dont get the whole Camster/Camber thing.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Langpie
Oh I know I need new ball joints. Have a ball joint press, just dont get the whole Camster/Camber thing.
Trying to align the wheels with faulty ball joints is a waste of time. Fix the ball joints first and then do the alignment. It's possible that your camber setting will be OK after your ball joints are replaced. If not, then your alignment shop can change or replace that bushing.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 06:21 PM
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From tire rack. The guys have you set straight.

Tire Tech Information - Alignment
 
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 10:43 AM
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Thanks Gents!
 
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 11:43 AM
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There is a thread on here some where on how to change the ball joints on a 4x4.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2013 | 02:00 PM
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Here"s one.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/3...ll-joints.html
 
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