Do we get a Commision lol
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From: Manteca,Ca
All real good feed back guys, back in the day our 77 ford 3/4 ton never had the sensers nor ficms just fill with fuel, change the oil and coolent and get back to work, too many things to watch now days in the modern day pickemup.
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,oh well I'll keep lookin at It
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Maunfacturers put the gauges in for show, and program them to keep the owners happy and not worried. They program the PCM to monitor what they think needs monitoring and to throw codes and check engine lights if they think there is a problem. Note the latest flash for the 6.0 includes the wrench light for delta (and frankly we wouldn't know or care about the delta if Ford hadn't told us about it), and for turbo boost problems. Fat, dumb and happy - that's your typical car owner... Even gearheads like us - no way can we put in a few gauges and monitor even 5% of what is going on in these engines now. Computer controlled everything, fly by wire throttles, we don't stand a chance. That's why I like the mechanical 8V-71T Detroit in my bus. If it has oil pressure, coolant at 180 and is actually running, that's literally all I need to know. No need to monitor a single other thing.
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That is comparing apples to rocks.
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And you could sit in the engine compartment, with tools, and work on them!
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This is True Mister cmk, there was some advanage of the older trucks, when I typed that I wasent thinking gasser to diesel more into not as much BS on the engine, just pop the hood and problem solveing was easyer,one thing I always liked was the seats ford has always had great seats compaired to Chevy. and when the 6.0 is running good Its apples
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Misky are you saying with a gauge or just running with out one , with out one now I dont think I would have found the Issues , but on the other hand it make me alittle paranoid when I see some diff #s when I should of shut the dam thing off and just fished ,oh well I'll keep lookin at It
,oh well I'll keep lookin at ItMore clearly: lots of owners w/o SG2 don't know they have a dangerous delta. Some of these owners might never have an issue. while other's will have a failure and then fuel the 6L is a terrible engine believers.
Likewise, some/many with a SG2 see the delta and change Oil and EGR coolers because delta of 15* is "bad", while they "might" have gone year(s) w/o a failure.
So, depending on your perspective, it adds to the "6L is a terrible engine" believers - while it also adds to the "with proper SG2 monitoring the 6L can be a great engine" believers.
I was willing/able to install the BPD when my delta was 18* all because I found FTE before I bought and knew what to watch for.
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