e40d any good
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so if the truck doesnt have a factory trans cooler with lines on it, how do i hook this up, also how do i hook up the trans temp guage i think i'm going to go with this one B&M 80212 B&M Transmission Temperature Gauge i am mechanically inclined just really never dealt with transmissions a whole lot
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You have a factory cooler in the radiator, just not an "external cooler"
Best cooler for the money is the factory external trans cooler that Ford used on the 4R100's that had the 6.0 in front of them. They're massive and work excellent. Just go to a junk yard and tell them you want the trans cooler from a truck that had the Superduty 6.0. Then simply shoot some carb cleaner through it and shoot some compressed air in it to blow it out.
Then you disconnect your lines off the radiator and run lines to the external cooler. OR, you can run one line into the factory radiator cooler, run the exit line from the radiator to the inlet of the external cooler, and then the exit line from the external cooler back to the trans. That way you have 2 coolers working.
Best cooler for the money is the factory external trans cooler that Ford used on the 4R100's that had the 6.0 in front of them. They're massive and work excellent. Just go to a junk yard and tell them you want the trans cooler from a truck that had the Superduty 6.0. Then simply shoot some carb cleaner through it and shoot some compressed air in it to blow it out.
Then you disconnect your lines off the radiator and run lines to the external cooler. OR, you can run one line into the factory radiator cooler, run the exit line from the radiator to the inlet of the external cooler, and then the exit line from the external cooler back to the trans. That way you have 2 coolers working.
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Is it a legitimate 8 speed tranny or do they just have a 4 or 5 speed trans with multiple lock ups? There's been many times when companies have tried to pass off the converter locking up as another gear because it drops RPMs down, much like a higher gear, and the typical person wouldn't be the wiser.
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Ok. So basically the e4od is a good trans from what I hear. But on my 95 f150 I just had the low gear Clutha packs go out. I was told that ford screwed them up from the factory. It was probably beat but I don't know. It wasn't used for towing because the only hitch I got is on the bumper. So yeah good trans but if your at idle and hear it clicking watch the clutch packs.
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The radiator is too cool it. There is nothing in the system to keep it warm. Its the friction of the fluid passing through the trans and torque converter that heat the fluid.
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Is it a legitimate 8 speed tranny or do they just have a 4 or 5 speed trans with multiple lock ups? There's been many times when companies have tried to pass off the converter locking up as another gear because it drops RPMs down, much like a higher gear, and the typical person wouldn't be the wiser.
No company has ever claimed converter lockup as being a gear.
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oh you can't run a c6 anymore.not when diesel fuel is $4 a gallon,and gas not much better.i loved them too but that was years ago.those days are long over.you have no lockup or overdrive.both of which are equally important.it's far cheaper to just reman an e40d to the latest specs than it would be to run a c6.
depending on how much you drive though.some guys only drive an oil change worth of miles per year.might as well run 4.56 gearing and a c6 then sure.have fun when ya use it.wont make much difference.start putting on 15-25k miles per year and the c6 trans becomes far more expensive than a full built racing e40d built to the max.
so all things are relative i suppose.
when fuel hit a buck a gallon we all started wishing our c6's had overdrives then for god sakes lol.
depending on how much you drive though.some guys only drive an oil change worth of miles per year.might as well run 4.56 gearing and a c6 then sure.have fun when ya use it.wont make much difference.start putting on 15-25k miles per year and the c6 trans becomes far more expensive than a full built racing e40d built to the max.
so all things are relative i suppose.
when fuel hit a buck a gallon we all started wishing our c6's had overdrives then for god sakes lol.
I hear what you're saying, but I'd still rather have the C6. I don't make my living through the use of a truck anymore, but they weren't cheap to drive back when I did. The way I looked at it back then is the way I would look at it now. If the work I was doing didn't pay enough to keep fuel in the truck, then it wasn't worth doing. I used to scrap full time for a living, btw. I've thought about getting back into it as a part-time venture and would not have the first problem doing it in an old 80s model 3/4 or 1 ton with a 6.9 and the C6. I tell ya, I sure do miss the freedom being self-employed gave me.
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It's not supposed to be too cold, but it can be. That's why adding too large or too many coolers is not recommended. I have only run the factory cooler. My parents only ran the factory cooler. 195k miles pulling small trailers, a car a few times, many dump runs and lots of stop and go and the trans has never run too hot. As far as too cold, the trans heats up QUICKLY. I have a 2.5 mile drive from the train station to home, and in that short distance the trans heats up quiet a bit. Essntially the trans heats itself to ideal temperature and then the cooling maintains it. I don't have a gauge yet (don't like the look of the one I got) to give exact numbers, but I have never had a transmission issue.
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From: Mi'kma'ki
the 4r100 and e40d are the same transmission.they just renamed it in latter years.
it was never put behind a 6.oh no. (i suppose the confusion came from the last year when you could get the 7.3l psd or the 6 oh my god in the same year.however like any 6.oh no way,they use different trans altogether.)
it's highly unlikely anyone with the 8th or 9th gen era truck requires a 6.oh no sized trans cooler with our much lower GCWR's.
(outright foolish actually.would mean your up to no good,and gunna kill your truck or trans anyway.and for an f150 you'd look about as smart as the n/a guys running intercoolers.LOL!
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ideal trans temps are 175 boys.
too cool isn't any good either.remember these trans having locking converters.long gone are the c6 days when you couldn't keep the things cool enough.yes,many folks get carried away with a good thing.
trans gauge for monitoring first.150-200 really nice results,if you see that,do nothing.add a cooler if you can't keep her around 175 perfection.go massive if ya want,just use an inline t-stat is all.
it was never put behind a 6.oh no. (i suppose the confusion came from the last year when you could get the 7.3l psd or the 6 oh my god in the same year.however like any 6.oh no way,they use different trans altogether.)
it's highly unlikely anyone with the 8th or 9th gen era truck requires a 6.oh no sized trans cooler with our much lower GCWR's.
(outright foolish actually.would mean your up to no good,and gunna kill your truck or trans anyway.and for an f150 you'd look about as smart as the n/a guys running intercoolers.LOL!
)ideal trans temps are 175 boys.
too cool isn't any good either.remember these trans having locking converters.long gone are the c6 days when you couldn't keep the things cool enough.yes,many folks get carried away with a good thing.
trans gauge for monitoring first.150-200 really nice results,if you see that,do nothing.add a cooler if you can't keep her around 175 perfection.go massive if ya want,just use an inline t-stat is all.
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well with the 94 the bumpstops are thicker than on the 92 so droop is pretty limited, havent tried the 92 but it wouldnt bother me if the bumper was down low as long as i wasnt driving too far. nice part is its all wide open so i can plan my braking and not endager others with my "Smart" ideas
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the 4r100 and e40d are the same transmission.they just renamed it in latter years.
it was never put behind a 6.oh no. (i suppose the confusion came from the last year when you could get the 7.3l psd or the 6 oh my god in the same year.however like any 6.oh no way,they use different trans altogether.)
it's highly unlikely anyone with the 8th or 9th gen era truck requires a 6.oh no sized trans cooler with our much lower GCWR's.
(outright foolish actually.would mean your up to no good,and gunna kill your truck or trans anyway.and for an f150 you'd look about as smart as the n/a guys running intercoolers.LOL! )
ideal trans temps are 175 boys.
too cool isn't any good either.remember these trans having locking converters.long gone are the c6 days when you couldn't keep the things cool enough.yes,many folks get carried away with a good thing.
trans gauge for monitoring first.150-200 really nice results,if you see that,do nothing.add a cooler if you can't keep her around 175 perfection.go massive if ya want,just use an inline t-stat is all.
it was never put behind a 6.oh no. (i suppose the confusion came from the last year when you could get the 7.3l psd or the 6 oh my god in the same year.however like any 6.oh no way,they use different trans altogether.)
it's highly unlikely anyone with the 8th or 9th gen era truck requires a 6.oh no sized trans cooler with our much lower GCWR's.
(outright foolish actually.would mean your up to no good,and gunna kill your truck or trans anyway.and for an f150 you'd look about as smart as the n/a guys running intercoolers.LOL!
)ideal trans temps are 175 boys.
too cool isn't any good either.remember these trans having locking converters.long gone are the c6 days when you couldn't keep the things cool enough.yes,many folks get carried away with a good thing.
trans gauge for monitoring first.150-200 really nice results,if you see that,do nothing.add a cooler if you can't keep her around 175 perfection.go massive if ya want,just use an inline t-stat is all.
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From: Mi'kma'ki
it doesn't take many of your E40D internals swapped out and into the 4r if you would like to bolt one in it's place.
more info if your interested;
http://www.atraonline.com/gears/2004.../2004_3_16.pdf