1963 F600
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Ok,, are king-pins and tie-rods as much a pain on BIG trucks as they are on F100/F250's?! I know the tie-rods aren't to bad, but k-pins,,, I have had my share!
And what is the bolt pattern on this big girl,,, would the rims off a 73 F500 fit?
And what is the bolt pattern on this big girl,,, would the rims off a 73 F500 fit?
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Can't help on the king pins. The bolt pattern on the '63 F-600 is 6 x 8.75" circle. The '73 F-500 could be either 5 x 8" or 6 x 8.75" per my wheel catalogs. Per the reference, though, only '63/'64 had the hub piloted mounting with that bolt pattern. Meaning that the newer model with this pattern would be a "dual cap nut" mounting, also called "stud piloted". Stu
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So would I be able to "bolt on" those wheels? Or does it require a stud change out?
Can't help on the king pins. The bolt pattern on the '63 F-600 is 6 x 8.75" circle. The '73 F-500 could be either 5 x 8" or 6 x 8.75" per my wheel catalogs. Per the reference, though, only '63/'64 had the hub piloted mounting with that bolt pattern. Meaning that the newer model with this pattern would be a "dual cap nut" mounting, also called "stud piloted". Stu
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I think it depends on your studs. I have two different factory diagrams of a hub piloted mounting. One shows there is an unthreaded shoulder at the base of each stud that sticks out from the hub occupying space in the lug holes. That unthreaded section of each stud would prevent use of the Budd style "inner dual cap nuts" because they must thread fully onto the studs to hold the inner dual wheel. If you see that unthreaded shoulder on your studs right at the surface of the hub then I think you'll need to find replacement studs.
On the other hand, I also have diagrams of hub piloted mountings that show studs that are fully threaded to the level of the hub. If you find that I think you should be okay as long as the center hole of your donor wheels fit over your rear hubs.
Below is a diagram showing in red the area I'm talking about. Then compare that to the diagram of the Budd style "dual cap nut" mounting and you can see that the inner nut must thread onto the stud nearly to the hub to hold the inner dual. Stu
On the other hand, I also have diagrams of hub piloted mountings that show studs that are fully threaded to the level of the hub. If you find that I think you should be okay as long as the center hole of your donor wheels fit over your rear hubs.
Below is a diagram showing in red the area I'm talking about. Then compare that to the diagram of the Budd style "dual cap nut" mounting and you can see that the inner nut must thread onto the stud nearly to the hub to hold the inner dual. Stu
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THANK YOU, Thank you, Thank you!! I haven't worked on big trucks since I was a kid working at a Goodyear garage, and then in the Marines for 6 years, but then again,, THAT was a few days ago 
I think it depends on your studs. I have two different factory diagrams of a hub piloted mounting. One shows there is an unthreaded shoulder at the base of each stud that sticks out from the hub occupying space in the lug holes. That unthreaded section of each stud would prevent use of the Budd style "inner dual cap nuts" because they must thread fully onto the studs to hold the inner dual wheel. If you see that unthreaded shoulder on your studs right at the surface of the hub then I think you'll need to find replacement studs.
On the other hand, I also have diagrams of hub piloted mountings that show studs that are fully threaded to the level of the hub. If you find that I think you should be okay as long as the center hole of your donor wheels fit over your rear hubs.
Below is a diagram showing in red the area I'm talking about. Then compare that to the diagram of the Budd style "dual cap nut" mounting and you can see that the inner nut must thread onto the stud nearly to the hub to hold the inner dual. Stu
On the other hand, I also have diagrams of hub piloted mountings that show studs that are fully threaded to the level of the hub. If you find that I think you should be okay as long as the center hole of your donor wheels fit over your rear hubs.
Below is a diagram showing in red the area I'm talking about. Then compare that to the diagram of the Budd style "dual cap nut" mounting and you can see that the inner nut must thread onto the stud nearly to the hub to hold the inner dual. Stu
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I just researched this for another guy and think my earlier mention of center hole clearance needs to be stressed. Looks like hub piloted wheels have a 6.00" center hole. The stud piloted wheels have a 5 7/8" hole, so there'd need to be 1/16" or a hair more removed all around the center hole. Stu
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Well, gonna do the tie-rods next, king pins done drives much better!! Now tie-rods, and it should be really good,,, once the tires warm up a tad!
But I have to say, haven't used it as a dump truck, more just cruise around the neighborhood,,, anyone looking for a dumper?!
But I have to say, haven't used it as a dump truck, more just cruise around the neighborhood,,, anyone looking for a dumper?!
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So YOUR the one that got that one?!?!! No front seat,,,
Are you looking for another?! I am going to sell this one, just haven't used it, and have to many other "projects" to work on! I would like to get my 63 F250 going soon!
Are you looking for another?! I am going to sell this one, just haven't used it, and have to many other "projects" to work on! I would like to get my 63 F250 going soon!
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Welded a bed together 12'x8' and it has worked very well.
I don't need another unfortunately. My next truck is a King Ranch 250 or 350 and an Isuzu NPR reefer. @$600 for that '73 F500 that ran beautifully, it was a steal.
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It came with some seats, they just weren't secure or anything. These purple captains chairs. I welded in brackets and a frame- attached the seats and a center console.
Welded a bed together 12'x8' and it has worked very well.
I don't need another unfortunately. My next truck is a King Ranch 250 or 350 and an Isuzu NPR reefer. @$600 for that '73 F500 that ran beautifully, it was a steal.
8-)
Welded a bed together 12'x8' and it has worked very well.
I don't need another unfortunately. My next truck is a King Ranch 250 or 350 and an Isuzu NPR reefer. @$600 for that '73 F500 that ran beautifully, it was a steal.
8-)
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I don't see a date on this, other than mention of the late 64 running change, but it looks to go along with my above reference that says Ford returned to a standard Budd mounting in 1965 after having used the hub piloted system in 63 and 64. Stu
